Transnational Repression: Out of Sight, Not Out of Reach
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 5 February 2021
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
Some countries don't just abuse their citizens within their own borders; increasingly, they target individuals after they have gone abroad. A range of nefarious acts play a role here, and together they make up a phenomenon called transnational repression.
Nate Schenkkan, the director of research strategy at Freedom House, and Isabel Linzer, Freedom House's research analyst for technology and democracy, are the two authors of "Out of Sight, Not Out of Reach: Understanding Transnational Repression," a new report detailing the practice and Freedom House's research on the topic. David Priess sat down with them to discuss the variety of forms transnational repression can take, whom is targeted and why, examples from the governments of Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Rwanda and even Equatorial Guinea, and recommendations to buck this growing trend
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.1 | Part of the problem is, of course, Russia's unique role in the international system is a |
| 0:38.9 | nuclear power on the border with Europe, etc. |
| 0:41.9 | But really, an unwillingness, I would say, in certain quarters, to see all of these things |
| 0:47.8 | as as of peace. |
| 0:49.5 | And so if you look at things like the Nord Stream 2 pipeline or other Russian geopolitical |
| 0:53.6 | interests that intersect in Europe, there's a real desire to portion those off and keep |
| 0:58.7 | those separate from the question of, you just murdered a person on a park bench in Berlin |
| 1:03.9 | with a pistol. |
| 1:05.2 | And that's the loophole that Russia drives right through. |
| 1:08.6 | Is that, yes, let's keep these two things separate. |
| 1:11.4 | Let's have a conversation about gas pipelines. |
| 1:14.4 | And then we can have a different conversation about the fact that we just had this man killed |
| 1:17.7 | in the center of your capital. |
| 1:19.7 | And those can't be separate conversations. |
| 1:22.8 | I'm David Prius and this is the LawFair podcast, February 5, 2021. |
| 1:29.6 | Some countries don't just abuse their citizens within their own borders, increasingly, they |
| 1:34.3 | target individuals after they've gone abroad. |
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