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I'm delighted to say that our brilliant guest today is a psycho analyst and a Tavisock whistleblower.

Mark 7's welcome to Trigonometry.

Thanks for having me.

It is great to have you on.

I've given you a slightly tantalizing introduction there.

For any of our viewers who may not be familiar with Tistock or you know the article you've

written in Colette or any other work that you've done publicly just tell

everybody who are you how are you where you are what has been the journey that

leads you to be sitting here talking to two problematic people like us?

Okay, so I'm a psycho analyst originally trained as a psychiatric nurse, worked in psychiatry for over 40 years, and for the last 20 of those in the NHS I worked in the

Tabistock as a senior member of staff part of the management and then I retired from the NHS 18 months ago and I took up a post as a governor which is a voluntary post on the Tabistock border governance and I resigned over one of the issues that was being

discussed at the time and we'll get into that in quite a bit of detail but we have a lot of

fans all over the world so can you

give everybody an idea of what the significance of the Tavistock trust is in the UK because

there's been several issues that have come out of that I'm sure we'll talk about the Kiribel case, etc.

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