Hey everyone, it's Tristan. Real quick before we dive in, the Center for Humane Technology

is hiring. And we've talked about the Foundations of Humane Technology course on this podcast

before. Well, now we're looking for a Humane Innovation Lead. This is a product management

role that will serve a range of stakeholders and help support the emerging humane technology

ecosystem primarily through this new online course, Foundations of Humane Technology.

To learn more, visit humanetech.com slash careers. And with that, here we go.

Elon Musk is a player of games. And he wins the games he plays. But the game he's potentially

about to buy, the Twitter game, is a game that rewards outrage. It's a game that we win

by being better than the other players at dunking on each other and straw manning each

other and assuming the worst in each other. It's quite a provocation to tell the winner

of games that the game itself must be transformed. But we can also decide to step out of the

game and to do something different. Our guest today, Dylan Maren, is doing something

very different on social media. I'm Tristan Harris. And I'm Azeraskin. And this is your

undivided attention, the podcast from the Center for Humane Technology.

Dylan Maren has been called by Jason Sudakis, a modern Mr. Rogers for the digital age.

He's the creator and host of Conversations with People Who Hate Me. On the show, he steps

out of the game by calling up people behind negative comments on the internet and asking

them a simple question. Why did you write that? Dylan recently published a book also called

Conversations with People Who Hate Me, where he elaborates 12 lessons learned from talking

with internet strangers. Dylan comes from the left and negative comments toward him usually

come from the right, but online harassment is universal. Dylan, it's great to have you.

Thank you so much for having me. Well, I thought I would open up just for many listeners

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