"Trans Women Are Men … Including Me" - Debbie Hayton
TRIGGERnometry
Konstantin Kisin & Francis Foster
4.5 • 3.4K Ratings
🗓️ 31 March 2021
⏱️ 65 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen. And this is a show |
| 0:10.2 | for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. Our brilliant guest today |
| 0:15.6 | is a teacher, journalist and self-described opinionator, Transwoman. They've been |
| 0:20.1 | welcome to Trigonometry. Hi, nice to meet you both. It's great to meet you. Great to have you here. |
| 0:24.5 | Thank you so much for coming on. We'll get into all your problematic opinions in a second. |
| 0:30.1 | But just tell everybody a little bit about who are you, how are you where you are? What has |
| 0:34.8 | been the journey that leads you through life to be sitting here talking to us? Right, I'm a teacher. |
| 0:39.4 | I've been teaching for 25 years. I live in Birmingham. I teach in the West Midlands. |
| 0:47.3 | I probably wouldn't be sitting here though if I hadn't transitioned 10 years ago. |
| 0:52.8 | And what led you to transition? Mental health, a mental health crisis really. |
| 0:59.6 | I'd had issues with my gender, I've sometimes described it, but don't try and push me on what |
| 1:06.7 | that actually means. But I knew I had psychological issues with this from when I was about three years old. |
| 1:12.6 | But managed to, as many other people do, you manage to keep it in check, get on with life, |
| 1:18.4 | grow up, get married, have kids, get a job. But around 10 years ago, I just found it |
| 1:27.0 | increasingly difficult to carry on as I was, as a man, working as a man, living as a man. |
| 1:32.9 | I felt I should have been a woman. I actually felt I actually believed at the time I was some sort |
| 1:38.3 | of woman. So I transitioned. And you got into, certainly came to people's attention to, certainly to |
| 1:47.2 | our attention when you wore a t-shirt and helped me get this right because this is all a bit |
| 1:54.2 | mind-fieldy. You wore a t-shirt saying, trans women are men. Really glad you're the one asking |
| 1:59.5 | this question, mate. As am I? Am I right so far? You're right. I'm right so far. And then there was |
| 2:05.3 | some, you know, it got in the news and there was a big thing and then there was a disciplinary |
| 2:10.1 | action and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, why would you as a trans woman wear a t-shirt saying |
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