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Trans ruling: the fall out

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Politics, Daily News, News

41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

What are the practical implications for trans women after the Supreme Court ruled that under equality law, sex means biological sex? And how is the Labour government grappling with the ruling? Last week we heard from one of the campaigners for single sex spaces. Today we speak to someone who was stunned by the court's decision.

This podcast was brought to you thanks to the support of readers of The Times and The Sunday Times. Subscribe today: http://thetimes.com/thestory


Guests:

  • Helen Belcher, Managing Director, TransActual.
  • Aubrey Allegretti, Chief Political Correspondent,The Times.

Host: Manveen Rana.

Producers: 

  • Rosie Stopher.
  • Shabnam Grewal.

Further reading: What caused Keir Starmer’s U-turn on whether trans women are women?

Further listening: Defining a woman

Clips: UK Parliament, Times Radio.

Photo: Getty Images.

Get in touch: [email protected]     


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0:00.0

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0:27.3

From the Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story.

0:28.8

I'm Manvian Rana.

0:37.2

Since the Supreme Court ruling last week on what constitutes a woman, the government has welcomed the decision.

0:40.3

Repeatedly.

0:42.3

This ruling brings welcome clarity and confidence for women and service providers.

0:47.3

I welcome the court's decision. I think it's very important that we've now got real clarity.

0:53.3

We welcome as a government the clarity that the Supreme Court have delivered.

0:57.7

That is an important clarification.

0:59.5

That does provide that clarity.

1:05.7

While clarity has become the most overused word in Westminster this week,

1:10.5

there's been remarkably little of it in making sense of how the ruling will affect has become the most overused word in Westminster this week.

1:16.3

There's been remarkably little of it in making sense of how the ruling will affect real life.

1:18.7

And what it means for trans women?

1:25.3

If a trans woman used a female changing room yesterday, which changing room should they use today?

1:33.1

I think we need to make sure that in this discussion, we are following both the law,

1:36.6

so that that is clear for service providers.

1:41.8

And, you know, this varies upon what the provision of those service providers are. Large, large organisations, smaller organisations,

1:45.2

many smaller organisations. Sorry, why does it vary if it's the law? Because some will have

1:49.0

unisex provisions. It's a large complex issue. We're looking for clarity from you as the government.

1:59.7

The ruling has left many in the trans community dismayed and led to protests over the weekend.

2:07.0

Right.

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