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The Running Public

Training Tuesday: Should You Ignore Heart Rate During Trail Races?

The Running Public

Kirk Dewindt & Brakken Kraker

Running, Sports:running, Health & Fitness, Fitness, Sports

4.9704 Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Should you let your HR spike during trail ultras or should you double down on a set HR limit? The boys can’t agree on this one!

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the running public with Brack and Crocker and Kirk DeWint.

0:12.4

It's Tuesday, folks, and you know what that means, Training Tuesday.

0:15.7

We are going to take every rabbit hole, follow tangents, use useless metaphors. Get lost in the weeds.

0:22.4

This is Training Tuesday.

0:32.9

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0:38.3

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0:46.9

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0:50.5

Again, go to the running public.com and check out our offerings.

0:52.2

Kirk DeWint.

0:53.2

Yes, sir.

0:57.1

How's life been for you? It's good, man. It's good. We're on schedule this week. We're on routine. Here we are. Nothing new. Other than my legs had been

1:05.6

absolutely trashed. And I think I'm coming out of it just slightly finally, which is good. It's actually

1:12.4

early to be coming out of it, but I've been pretty wrecked for about two weeks. So that's new,

1:18.0

but I think we're emerging. How about you? What do you think caused it? Three hour long runs

1:23.4

with concrete descents and 65 miles a week with 10,000 feet of gain, I would say for, you know.

1:30.9

Is this the biggest train load you've ever had?

1:33.5

No, because I'm going on an every other week basis.

1:36.0

I'm going back and forth between like 50 to 55 with a little less gain and then 60 to 65 with a little more.

1:42.2

But it's consistent with, I mean, I'm doing it in five runs, all singles. So when did you do more than this? Maybe pre-Taho 2019 that summer. What do you think you were hitting that summer? Were you on Strava at that time? I was probably 60s, but with six runs, but also more overt. I'm fact-checking you right now.

2:00.9

Okay, you can do that.

2:02.0

That's not how I plan to start this, but... No, me either. Six runs a week you were doing, and now you're on five? I think so. Well, no, I don't want to be a liar. I better not be lying to you, the good people, the running public. Pre-Taho 2019. Yeah, let's talk somewhere on there.

2:17.9

Oh, I'm on it.

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