Traditionalist ideology: From Ginni Thomas to Vladimir Putin

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 684 Ratings

🗓️ 11 April 2022

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

n this episode, I interview Joe Szimhart. Joe is a cult information specialist I have known for decades. He is also an author and knows a great deal about psychology. Joe appears in the unearthed 1986 former member video I recently shared as a former CUT and Agni Yoga member. Like me, Joe is a former cult member who uses his experience to help others understand and reevaluate destructive cults. Joe and I talk about current events and cult behaviors we recognize all over the world. We talk about Clarence Thomas’s wife Ginni, her deprogrammer Kevin Garvey, Vladimir Putin, and the ideology that binds them. For more of Joe’s work, visit his website: jszimhart.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan and welcome to the influence continuum.
0:08.0	I'm honored to have an old colleague and friend Joseph Zimhardt with me here today.
0:15.0	Joe and I go back to, what, 1986, Joe?
0:20.3	Yes.
0:21.2	In fact, you were, you spoke in the famous video that's gone vibral of the support group meeting in Kansas City in 1986,
0:32.7	where Jenny Thomas spoke about being in Lifespring.
0:35.9	In fact, thank you for pointing out to me. It was not
0:38.9	1989. It was 1986. And you said, I'll never forget it. It was my first conference.
0:46.6	Yeah. Right. But, Joe, for our listeners, you know, let me just say that I have such a high regard for your intelligence,
0:57.9	you're an avid reader and reviewer of books, your knowledge is encyclopedic. And I wanted to
1:06.9	ask you to do this with me today to flesh out more about traditionalists and maybe about
1:16.0	Opus Day and Catholicism and just what's been happening in your research with the IM movement.
1:23.7	And of course, I know you are involved with the Church Universal Entramp.
1:27.9	And I'm going to ask you to do a brief introduction, if you don't mind, Joe.
1:32.4	Yeah, sure.
1:32.9	Thank you, Steve.
1:33.9	And I don't know how encyclopedic I am about other things, but about the cult problem.
1:40.7	I've taken a deep dive as you have.
1:44.1	So, yeah, my background, again, I've taken a deep dive as you have.
1:50.9	So, yeah, my background, again, I was born in 1947, so that dates me.
1:56.0	And my early history influences how I think now about cults. And, you know, I'm an immigrant from a displaced person's camp.
1:59.7	My family came here when I was three years old.
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