Good afternoon, good evening, good morning, wherever you are in the world. I am Robert

Diamant and you're listening to Talk Art. Welcome to Talk Art. Today I am feeling like I'm longing

for renewal and it's partly because we are in this transition from winter, the depths of winter, into spring.

And every time it gets to March, I'm always feeling like some sort of longing that I just want all the flowers to open up and, you know, metaphorically speaking, to have some sort of sense of renewal.

And we are currently here in Marge and today has been a very

windy day and very, very icy cold actually, which feels odd for March. But we are here in

Carl Friedman Gallery and I am with someone who in many ways has helped me to renew myself and my

life over the past two decades through our friendship.

She's a mentor to me and to many others in the community of Marguet and obviously a world-class

artist who has currently got a solo show at Tate Modern in London as well. But rather than being

in Tate, we felt like we wanted to be here in Margate, which is both of our

homes, but also a gallery called Carl Friedman Gallery, where I work, and it's a show curated by

today's guest. It's called Crossing Into Darkness, and I'm really looking forward to exploring

this show with the one and only Tracy Eman.

I'm laughing. I'm really laughing. It's like, you know, keep it close to home, Rob.

Literally on the street where we both live.

Yeah.

What brought about this exhibition? It's interesting thinking of Tracy Eamon as the curator. There's a few things. One, if anybody knows me really well, they know that I love curating anything and everything.

So I love organising and I like looking at things.

I like thinking about things and I like to have complicated visual problems.

That's what excites me and stimulates me. So curating is an obvious

thing which I enjoy doing. And so I said to Carl Friedman a few years ago that I'd like to

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