Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, wherever you are in the world. I am Robert

Diamant and you're listening to Talk Art. Welcome to Talk Art. Today, I feel like I am the problem.

I was thinking about growing up and I think I used to feel like a problem to everyone around me

somehow because I think when you're a creative person and also when you're a queer person

like I was growing up, I think you often feel you're kind of on the outside. And little did I know

back then that being the problem was actually a strength and maybe a space of generative creation and possibility and kind of limitless

potential really and fun in many ways. And I think there were many images and musicians,

image makers, visual artists who kept me going when I was a teenager and feeling like I was the

problem. And today's guests is one of those people whose work gave me solace, presented a world

that I could dive into in many ways and feel less alone, I think. And it wasn't always my direct

experience, but it was experiences

and whether they were fiction or whether they were reality, or maybe they were like a

combination of the two, but there was this space created through her work, which really spoke

to me. And especially because she was working in not just the art world, but actually communicating with us

through magazines and through books and through many different kind of formats.

Recently, there was a sheet with Kristen Stewart, the Hollywood actress and now director.

And I remember seeing those images for the first time, and it just stopped me immediately.

And I was like, what are these photographs?

Like, there's something so special about the language of today's guest. And I was chatting with

Carl Friedman a few days ago, who I work with in Margate. And he was talking about how artists,

there's a famous quote from history about artists being the antenna of society and somehow they

kind of can predict or pave the way for what comes later.

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