Hey, this is Michael Caz, and on this podcast, I explore ways of living a more whole-hearted

and fulfilling life.

I believe in the saying that what is most personal is most universal.

On this podcast, you will hear personal stories of struggle and challenge, and what I and

my guests have learned from those experiences.

You will hear ideas and concepts that expand your mind on topics like personal development,

health, adventure, and sex and relationships.

Above all, my intention is to bring a depth of conversation and stories to connect more

with my guests and with you.

Hey, this is Michael Caz, you, and today I'm talking to my buddy, Nat Eliasin.

Nat is a writer, blogger, and entrepreneur.

He created the stamina app, also a marketing agency called Growth Machine, and a couple

of different courses, one called Effortless Output in Rome, which is on productivity,

another called DeFi Orientation for learning about crypto.

He's a prolific writer with hundreds of thousands of visitors to his site, Natalaisin.com,

each month.

And today, we talk about his journey from wanting to start a new town, only a year ago,

to now creating a video game on the blockchain.

We discuss using play and excitement as a North Star in your career, the survival dance

versus the sacred dance, the quest for a simple life, and more.

This is a super fun episode, and I hope you enjoy.

With that, help me welcome Nat Eliasin.

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