The Cat in Cloud Coffee Podcast is brought to you by Wilburntz. They make coffee brewers. Ever

heard of them? If you haven't, you should. They're an awesome family-owned company. They're here in

California. They power their facility with solar power, which I hear that's like a new hot thing that progressive people do.

The best thing about Curtis, in my humble opinion, is a turnaround time on the brewers. They have a 24-hour turnaround. It's phenomenal.

If you've ever ordered a brewer for a wholesale client from

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So being able to get the brewer next day like that is absolutely amazing. Shout out to you,

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Wilbur Curtis. On with the show. What is a flat white? I don't know. I asked to, I, our flat white is a little bit larger volume than cappuccino.

We make it a little thinner, and it's just...

So what size is that?

It's about...

It's seven, seven and a half ounces.

Our cap's six.

Uh-huh.

And then we have a smaller one that we call the makeout, which is four and a half ounces.

It's called the makeout?

Makeout, yeah.

That's pretty good.

It's an old name.

It comes from ritual, like way back in the day when I worked there.

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