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TransLash Podcast with Imara Jones

Tourmaline’s New Definitive Biography of Marsha P. Johnson

TransLash Podcast with Imara Jones

TransLash Media

News, Education, News Commentary, Society & Culture, Transgender, Lgbtq, Trans

4.3619 Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Marsha P. Johnson helped change the world—and now, she’s getting the biography she deserves. This week, Imara sits down with author and artist Tourmaline to talk about her groundbreaking new book, Marsha: The Joy and Defiance of Marsha P. Johnson. Tourmaline shares what it took to piece together Marsha’s story, from her early life in Times Square to her radical visions of freedom, spirituality, and care. She also unpacks Marsha’s expansive political imagination, her collaborations with groups like the Black Panthers, and why telling the full truth about her legacy matters more than ever in the face of right-wing historical revisionism. 


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TransLash Podcast is produced by TransLash Media.

Translash Team: Imara Jones, Oliver-Ash Kleine, Aubrey Calaway. 

Xander Adams is our Senior Sound Engineer and a contributing producer.

Morgan Astbury is our Social Media Coordinator. 

Hillary Esquina is our Director of Digital Media and Social. 

Theme music composed by Ben Draghi.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, fam, it's me, Amara.

0:11.0

Welcome to the TransLash podcast, a show where we tell trans stories to save trans lives.

0:16.0

Marsha B. Johnson has become a global figure both within and without the trans community,

0:24.3

but the stories around her are often flattened into myths or fragments.

0:30.4

Very rarely is the person behind the myth exposed.

0:34.8

That's why I'm thrilled to be able to welcome Termaline, who has written a new biography

0:40.7

of Marcia, which tells the expansive, multi-layered, and powerful story about Marcia P. Johnson.

0:49.5

The book is entitled Marcia, the joy and defiance of Marcia P. Johnson. It comes out on May 20th, and that's

0:56.7

why I am thrilled to be able to have this conversation right before Termaline goes on her book

1:02.5

tour to tell us about the brilliance and complexity of the one and only Marsha P. Johnson.

1:09.6

Right after Stonewall, Marcia was talking about, you know, starting HRT, and she's in such a

1:15.4

Marsha way, she was like, you know, I got a, I got a handful, my bust is a handful, but

1:21.2

it's like a nice handful.

1:23.4

And I'm just like, this is so beautiful, so Marcia.

1:26.8

So with that, let's start out as always with some trans joy.

1:30.6

Yeah. Oral history has always been a way for our communities to pass down stories of survival, joy, and becoming.

1:55.0

Caro de Robertois is the author of seven acclaimed books, including Cantoras, as well as the president

2:02.4

and the frog, with honors ranging from the Stonewall Book Award to the Penn Faulkner finalist

2:08.6

list. Their newest work, So Many Stars, is an oral history of trans, non-binary, genderqueer,

2:15.1

and two-spirit people of color, and it just hit bookshelves this week.

2:20.3

Sharing stories from activists, artists, and more.

2:23.3

This collection captures the courage of trans lives in poetry and pose.

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