Tories In A Death Spiral
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🗓️ 16 January 2022
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
Has any government been so convulsed by such a catastrophically damaging scandal since World War II? As continued revelations about rampant partying in No. 10 envelop Boris Johnson, is it finally all over for him? Will he bring the Tories down with him - or will a leadership change allow them reboot? Is Labour triumphalism justified?
We're joined by Peter Oborne - author of The Assault on Truth: Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and the Emergence of a New Moral Barbarism - and campaigner Matt Zarb Cousin.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the show. Boris Johnson continues to sink ever more into |
| 0:12.4 | a pretty calamitous political situation, just very quickly. We can see some of the polling |
| 0:17.8 | today at the moment. The Tory's now ten points behind, not looking at all good. Here's |
| 0:24.8 | another opinion poll. There we go. Another ten point lead for Labour. Until recently, of |
| 0:30.5 | course, there's always a way ahead. They were ahead, they'd been ahead for a very long time, |
| 0:34.7 | but now have sunk very badly behind. Boris Johnson is somewhat less popular than |
| 0:40.1 | cholera at the moment in terms of his approval ratings. What next though? Is it the end of Boris |
| 0:45.5 | Johnson? Are there always going to dispose of him? Is he going to drag them down all within? |
| 0:49.2 | Who could replace him? We've got so many questions. Now we're very lucky to have our first |
| 0:54.4 | guy speaking to Matt Zalcoson later about the broader politics, but we're very lucky to have |
| 0:58.5 | Peter O'Brien. I'm going to bring him straight away because he's a very busy man, and I don't |
| 1:03.1 | want to keep him waiting. How you doing, Peter? It's great to see you. Hello, David. Good morning. |
| 1:07.6 | Good morning. Good morning indeed. Right. So I just showed, in fact, let's look at the leader |
| 1:12.4 | approval ratings. Johnson's net approval falls to minus 42. Now Tory MPs, when they made him leader, |
| 1:21.7 | thought he was a charlatan, a liar deceitful, but they thought he had a unique cut through to the |
| 1:28.2 | electorate, particularly in key areas that they always wanted to win. Do you think that calculation |
| 1:33.3 | is starting to change? Well, I'm not sure that they did think he was a liar, etc. I used to put it |
| 1:40.1 | to them. They insisted he was a man of upstanding integrity. Obviously, there's an enormous change |
| 1:48.3 | in the perception, in his popularity in the country, he was seen as an election winner. |
| 1:53.6 | Perhaps he can be again, I think, is the calculation which his allies, and remember, he does have |
| 2:00.8 | very significant allies still, and the Conservative parties, as a general, as a whole, seems to be |
| 2:10.3 | supporting him, and the cabinet is supporting him. And so that perception is not apparently |
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