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A slightly thinner crowd here in person, but it's going to hot up this afternoon, but we've got a lot of people online which is great. So in this session, I'm going to talk about steps 4 through 9, which sounds like an awful lot, but I want to keep this very simple, the actual mechanics of the program program I'll tell you the little thing I did the steps when I was new and I wouldn't give you tuppens for how I did them looking back back, you know, if you had big book technicians reviewing how I did the steps the first time, they'd be that they'd hate it because I didn't follow any of the formats it just I just did what my

sponsor asked and it was roughly what was in the big book but nowhere near precise but it

worked I didn't have a drink and my

relationships with other people got better as a result of it. I made amends, I don't think very well, but I made the amends. So I think the important

thing the steps is to do them and not to worry to especially the first time, not to worry too much about them but to try to do them simply and briskly and get through it because you got the rest of your life to to redo them and I'll say one thing about this redoing steps business.

One of the people that has influenced me the most in AA is the chat called

Paul Martin who died with 60 odd years of sobriety in Chicago.

And he says that when he was 15, 16 years over, he discovered, he was given the idea of redoing all 12 steps and not just having done the steps, the first nine steps once, living in 10, 11 and 12. And he talks about his experience of people coming to him with 10, 15, 20 years of sobriety, with compulsive behavior acting out

depression, apathy, anxiety, boredom, and redoing all of the steps from scratch and these symptoms disappearing.

And now, there are lots of different approaches here and I don't want to dismiss anyone else's, but I've gone down rabbit holes with the steps over the years.

And one phrase which did the rounds a few years ago

was people would phone me up and say,

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