On this episode of Narcissist Apocalypse Q&A, everyone. With me today, we have the return of Vienna how are you

I'm good hello hello and Vienna is from our December 20th Survivor Story episode December 20th Survivor Story episode, December 20th, 2020, which is, wow, that's a long time ago.

It's pretty crazy.

And you have also been on a guest on one of our most popular episodes, which is the top 50 verbal manipulations.

You've also been on an episode where we discussed the Dark Night of the Soul.

And you have been a co-host on an episode where we talked to Mark Vesente as well.

We talked about cults and the

cult that he was involved with, which was an axiom. And you were awesome on that episode. So

Vienna, thank you for being here. And today we are going to discuss the narcissist playing the victim and the narcissist who's actually the victim.

And I just want to say right now, before we continue on, that this is not for second-guess guessing a victim of abuse.

This is for if there's confusion between two parties and which of the two parties might be telling the truth and not telling truth.

That's how to do our best to distinguish of what's really going on between two different parties.

So if someone is saying that they are abused, please do believe them.

And also when it comes to this show, there are some points that we bring up that are very nuanced.

So it might not be applicable to every little situation.

And we do our best to explain the nuances of them.

So if they are possibly a little confusing for everyone, we apologize.

But there are some nuances to some of these topics that we are discussing today.

And a lot of them are hard to distinguish.

We're going to do our best job so you can see what we've seen as

well. And this list is a top 15 list. Look at it more as a checklist and not look at

individual things and start looking at everything here as a whole. So we're trying to look for as many

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