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🗓️ 10 February 2025
⏱️ 44 minutes
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An all-contrarian roundtable—Paul Krugman, Norm Eisen, and Jen Rubin—chronicles the first signs of pushback against Trump’s constitutional assaults and analyzes the vacuous tariffs initiatives. Norm provides some dispatches from the litigation front, which has secured multiple injunctions against Trump’s lawless, harmful policies. Paul proceeds to explain how tariffs work and why they are at best counter-productive before considering Elon Musk’s strange role through the prism of economics.
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0:00.0 | Welcome to Talking Feds, a roundtable that brings together prominent former federal officials and special guests |
0:13.0 | for dynamic discussion of the most important political and legal topics of the day. |
0:19.0 | I'm Harry Lintman. After two weeks in which Donald Trump |
0:23.4 | strafed the constitutional landscape with barely a hint of resistance, this week brought the |
0:30.1 | first real pushback. Multiple lawsuits landed, aiming to enjoin key aspects of Trump's lawless power grabs, and the federal courts |
0:40.1 | by and large stepped up, putting a freeze on several of Trump's initiatives. |
0:46.5 | But inside the executive branch, where President wields substantially unchecked authority |
0:52.1 | over his own workforce, Trump continued to spread terror |
0:56.8 | and wreak havoc. |
0:58.8 | And in a moment of theatrical brinksmanship, Trump backed off his threats to slap tariffs |
1:04.4 | on Mexico and Canada after securing so-called concessions that in reality changed nothing but gave him an opportunity |
1:13.0 | to thump his chest. And Elon Musk continued to make colossal mischief and threaten the privacy, |
1:20.9 | rights and economic well-being of millions of Americans. To track the first real signs of pushback against the tyranny of |
1:29.3 | Trump 2.0 and to assess the consequences of some of his promised big economic moves, we welcome |
1:37.7 | an ideal panel all drawn from the ranks of the contrarian. And they are. The indefatigable Norm Eisen, a co-founder of the |
1:48.4 | contrarian, a senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institute and the co-founder |
1:54.0 | of state democracy defenders' action. He served as special counsel to the House Judiciary Committee |
2:00.0 | from 2019 to 2020, |
2:03.6 | including for the first impeachment of President Trump. |
2:07.2 | This is part of the valuable work. |
2:09.2 | Court of law, court of public opinion. |
2:12.5 | This is where they come together. |
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