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Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Too Great Expectations

Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Don McDonald

Education, Investing, Business, How To

4.5 • 811 Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Don and Tom break down the overhyped expectations around recent market returns, referencing Jason Zweig’s analysis of 230 years of stock market data. They emphasize that spending and saving habits matter more than chasing 15% returns, and explain why realistic planning using a 3–6% real return assumption over 30-year rolling periods is more prudent. They also tackle questions about RMD strategies from Vanguard IRAs and the TSP’s F and G bond funds. The show ends with a tongue-in-cheek breakdown of NFL team valuations—yes, the Raiders rank surprisingly high. 0:04 Welcome, fatuousness defined, and realistic investing begins 0:52 Why you shouldn’t expect 15% returns forever—even if you got them 1:52 What Jason Zweig’s long-term data reveals about stock returns 2:51 Bogle warned us not to expect high returns—now what? 4:16 Spending and saving: more important than investing performance 5:08 Don’s “prepaid gains” analogy for future expectations 7:00 Real market returns since 1793—spoiler: they’re not 15% 8:58 Stocks might only beat inflation by 3%—and that’s still a win 9:45 Start saving early: waiting until 50 is a losing game 10:18 How to plan with lower expected returns (realistic scenarios) 11:56 Use expected return to guide your savings rate (3% = save 20%) 13:45 “You weren’t smart. You were lucky.” Now diversify. 15:31 Tom’s wife dreads football season—Don celebrates Chiefs loss 18:42 Listener RMD question: Which ETFs get tapped at Vanguard? 19:29 Bonds are back: fixed income up ~6% this year 20:24 Rebalancing vs. just selling: how to handle RMDs smartly 21:04 Raiders rank #4 in NFL valuations… but why? 24:36 Top NFL team values: Cowboys rule, Cardinals drool 27:27 Arizona sports: low attendance, low valuations 28:59 TSP question: F fund vs. G fund—what to use, when 30:25 Don favors the G fund for simplicity and ballast 31:45 Tom and Don disagree—F fund might return more, but… 32:26 Don’s vegetable-spiked coffee and Justin’s final TSP allocation 34:13 Listener Barbara has multiple annuities—Don and Tom say, “Yikes” 35:47 Why you probably talked to a salesperson, not a fiduciary 37:04 The free Appella consultation is steak-free and no-pressure Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Reality Radio for a really great future.

0:08.0

We're talking real money.

0:10.0

And now for something completely different.

0:12.9

Occasionally fatuous financial conversation.

0:16.2

Here on the Talking Real Money Radio program.

0:19.1

Hello everyone.

0:20.7

I'm Don McDonald, along with my cohort on the

0:24.1

West Coast, Thomas Charles Cock the Second. And we're here to help you muddle through your

0:32.2

messy money life. So if you'd like to call us and have a little chat with us, well, we don't take

0:39.4

ourselves too seriously. Give us a call at 855-935-935-talk-8-55-9-35-8-25-5. Now, you should be,

0:49.0

if we were pandering to you, if we were the kind of folks that most folks are who give financial advice

0:58.0

on the radio, we'd be doing something like promising you, look at the market.

1:02.5

You could make 15% per year based on what the stock market has done over the past decade.

1:08.9

But Tom, we don't say that.

1:13.1

We don't.

1:13.8

We don't.

1:14.9

By the way, welcome.

1:18.0

And when you say fatuous, you do sound like you're making yourself a little more important than we actually are.

1:23.7

No, fatuous means silly.

1:25.6

Yeah, I know.

1:26.4

But we're not silly. Yes, we are. We're seriously. Oh, I know. But we're not silly.

1:28.1

Yes, we are. We're seriously. Oh, I thought, okay. We're silly. We're seriously. No, we are. We're fatuous at times. We try. Keep it light. We try to keep it light. Because life is way too serious. Exactly. Especially today. Wow. Yeah. So we live in interesting times, right?

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