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And well done, everybody who got it right.

No, Gavin, it's not Tony Ben and Tony Blackburn.

Tony Ben is no longer with us.

But everybody who guessed, the two Tony B's on the program today.

One on the program, one on the podcast, one on, as my guest on full disclosure.

A colossus of British politics and a colossus of British broadcasting,

both affectionately known, to the best of my knowledge, by nobody, as Tony B. So Blair and Blackburn. What does that

sound more like to you? Would it Blackburn and Blair or Blair and Blackburn? Does it sound like

like a suburban solicitors or does it sound like a couple of grizzled 1970s cops who don't do things

by the book? Blackburn and Blair or Blackburn and Blair, Blair, Blair and Black, but I don't

know. I should probably be taking it all a little bit more seriously and I will be doing. So you'll

hear the first part of my interview with Sotaniel Blair at 1045 this morning, which means to business.

I did it again yesterday, by the way. I was talking to the deputy prime minister, Angela Rainer, and she said

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