The pursuit of two states was always subordinate in the Americans' mind to other objectives,

whether that objective was at one point in the peace process to try to counter those Soviet influence,

to try to counter Iran, to try to counter Iraq, to even to save the Jewish

state of Israel. It was rarely, if ever, because they really believed that the just outcome should

be two states. There is, or there was, and still is a very fundamental contradiction at the

core of Oslo, because each party looks at it for a different reason.

It's supposed to be a step towards the resolution of the conflict.

It was not, and both parties did not look at it as a step towards the resolution of the conflict.

Hello and welcome, why is this happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

As I speak to you, it is Wednesday, September 10th, and I'm marking that date because on the 9th, the Israeli

defense forces struck at several targets inside Doha, Qatar, at members of the Hamas negotiating

team, essentially, that were there for the latest round of negotiations over a possible ceasefire

in Gaza. The Israeli government seems quite

intent if you listen to what is being said by both Netanyahu and ministers, particularly inside

the government, to not have any kind of negotiated ceasefire, even though there are, as best as we

know, probably about two dozen hostages still remaining inside Gaza,

and instead continue with a campaign of, I don't know the right way to characterize it,

total annihilation, total war, total destruction of Gaza with the endpoint apparently being

a kind of U.S. facilitated ethnic cleansing of the strip

that would remove millions of Palestinians to some third country.

All of this is being called, quote, voluntary, although given the conditions there,

it's very hard to say that it would be voluntary.

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