Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

We have a massive day today.

The Cash Patel and Tulsi Gabbard hearings are happening as we speak, as is a press avail that Donald Trump and J.D.

Vance are having about the tragic plane crash in Washington.

So we'll get to some of that for Borg plus subscribers. We'll do a full wrap up at the end of the day.

That link will be in your inbox or you can go to Borek.com slash subscribe if you're not a member yet.

I don't know why that would be. And of course, I'll be back tomorrow for a recap. But for today, we've got the co-founder of Crooked Media, co-host of,

it's something called Pod Save America. He also has another podcast I like called Pod Save the World.

He was a national security staff spokesman during the Obama administration. It's a man Ben Shapiro calls Tehran Tommy Tommy Vitor. How you doing?

You know, I'm good, buddy. It's great to see you. Actually, I think in like 2018, I emailed Ben,

because I used to call him Baby Bannon, which honestly was kind of unfair because I think he left

the Bannon world. And so we agreed to not be quite as mean to each other online, but I've never actually met Ben, so I should probably do that someday. Yeah, I don't know. I listened to his podcast the first time in a while

yesterday, and it is unlistenable. And the fact that he beats us in the ratings sometimes is,

well, me always, but you sometimes should really make you have to reflect on some things.

How do you do a show without someone to talk to? I just, I don't get it. It's just a monotone.

I want to Sarah call him a castrated chipmunk.

It's just like a castrated chipmunk giving you a 50-minute lecture in the same tone.

It's an interesting podcast. Fun guy.

You know, teach their own, right?

You know, everybody, people like different things, different strokes for different folks.

All right. As I mentioned, there was a just horrific midair collision

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