Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. We've got my friend

Andrew Weissman up here in a minute to talk about Cash Patel and the various legal issues

swirling around the second Trump administration.

But I wanted to talk first about my senator here in Louisiana, Bill Cassidy.

I've frequently been talking about avoiding the temptation to slip into nihilism.

This is, as many of you have probably figured out as much about you as it is

about giving myself a pep talk as the Siren Song of Nialism is quite appealing to me.

But when there appears to be an opening for anyone, but particularly an elected Republican,

to do the right thing, we should encourage it. We should not despair and be

without all hope that somebody might do the right thing in these moments. I'm not saying we should be

gullible or taking advantage of or be Lucy with the football here, but in strategic moments and

moments of conscience and crisis, sometimes people do the right thing.

We saw it with Mike Pence.

We've seen it before.

And I think that there's a chance that my Senator Bill Cassidy might do the right thing.

So I want to send a message to him and to you guys.

But first, let's listen to a little bit of his closing statement from the RFK Jr.

We're about the same age.

Does a 70-year-old man, 71-year-old man who spent decades criticizing vaccines

and who's financially vested in finding fault with vaccines,

can he change his attitudes and approach now that he'll have the most important

position influencing vaccine policy in the United States? Will you continue what you have been,

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