Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. I'm going to do Miller. I am here

today with a couple of gentlemen who have a new book white world rage the threat to

American democracy it is Tom Schaller professor of political science at the

University of Maryland a former columnist for the Baltimore Sun and Paul Waldman journalist and opinion writer

he's a former columnist at the Washington Post the Washington Post misses you

Paul you had some good stuff over there how's everything going gentlemen.

Great thank you.

Great.

First off, for folks who have not heard you on your podcast tour,

give us the premise of the book,

what went into it, White Roll Rage,

and a top-line takeaway.

Maybe Tom, you can kick us off.

Yeah, so Paul and I have known each other for 20 years,

and as we were researching around and thinking about the Trump era

and the MAGA movement,

we started to look at some polls,

and we kept finding this pattern.

And let me just preface this because I kind of came out hot

on MSMBC with Mika Brijenski and say that what we find it doesn't apply to every

rural white American and it doesn't apply exclusively to rural white Americans in terms of the

threats that we discuss. But what we found, and we use very careful and

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