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The Bulwark Podcast

Tom Nichols: This Is What They Want

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

The American people made their choice, and the fight to preserve the global democratic coalition against the global authoritarian movement continues. But maybe letting those voters see unadulterated Trumpism in the White House, without the baby bumpers—at least for a little while—is how we save America. Plus, the price of eggs v fascism, and Trump is going to inherit a great economy and take credit for it. 

Tom Nichols joins Tim Miller.

show notes
Tom's most recent Atlantic Daily newsletter
Derek Thompson's piece mentioned by Tim (gifted)
Nick Catoggio's piece 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullock podcast.

0:09.9

I'm your host Tim Miller.

0:11.5

We're bringing in friends and fam this week.

0:13.6

That's the only way to deal with it.

0:14.8

So I've got Tom Nichols, Professor Emeritus at the Naval War College.

0:17.9

He's staff writer at the Atlantic and author of the Atlantic Daily

0:21.5

newsletter, Tom, what should we do? What do you want to say? What happens? I mean, you know,

0:30.2

what we should do is be on a beach somewhere right now and, you know, just with a couple of mitis,

0:35.4

but, you know, what do we do?

0:38.5

You get up in the morning and you square your shoulders and take a deep breath and say,

0:42.5

okay, four more years of this crazy shit.

0:45.2

And I think as long as he doesn't bumble us into World War III, you know, we just kind of get

0:52.5

up and do the work every day and try to hold this

0:56.2

administration to account the way we would and criticize and discuss and write about them the

1:01.1

way we would. Look, Tim, the saddest part, American people made their decision and 51%

1:07.3

of the American people made their decision. This is what they want.

1:11.5

Okay.

1:18.3

So, you know, we're all strapped into the same rocket and we're just going to have to deal with it.

1:20.6

That's, you know, it's all we can do.

1:24.6

Yeah, they're going to get it good and hard, as many people have sent me at the H.L. They just don't believe that that stove is hot and they've decided to

1:28.7

touch it three or four or five or ten more times. Well, I want to talk in a little bit more detail

1:34.0

about what actually the next steps look like practically, but I want to go back first.

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