Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Well, fuck.

Usually we do a next level podcast on Wednesdays, my best friends, Sarah Longwell,

publisher of the Bullwork and JVL, the editor of the bulwark.

It felt appropriate and right to just kind of make the next level the daily podcast today so we could all hang out with you, those of you could stomach it at least, and go over what happened last night. And then we'll do another TNL later this week.

Guys, Sarah, JVL, hi. last night and then we'll read we'll do another tnl later this week um guys sarah jviel hi hi hi um this is what i want to do i want to talk at first about our analysis of what happened in the campaign so we can be a little bit

um so we can build up to our feelings

and then I want to talk about going forward and then and then we can kind of close by just talking

about how how everybody's going to cope with this so the campaign itself I don't I guess why

don't you just give both of you give us the biggest

picture after having a night to sleep on it? What do you think happened? What do you think explains

his victory at the biggest level? Sarah, why don't you go first? Okay. Look, I think what we're

going to wrestle with here is the way in which this election was really out of the ordinary, and then

the ways in which it was pretty ordinary. And the ways in which it was pretty ordinary were that

you had, and we've known this, right? We've known this. And this has been a little bit central to the

conversation JBL and I have over on the secret pod. And then, you know, if you go back and look at the focus

groups, it's all kind of there, which is people did not think the country was in a good place.

They were unhappy with Biden. They were unhappy with the economy. The fundamental, they were

unhappy with the state of immigration, like Trump was always outperforming her on the issues

that voters said they cared the most about.

You know, we were, uh, the, the, the, Joe Biden, um, was very unpopular.

Like, right, his approval rating is lower than Trump's approval rating at its lowest.

Um, and so like, in a lot of ways, you're just talking about the fundamentals always

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