Welcome to the Bull Work Podcast, I'm Charlie Sykes. One of the themes of the podcast unfortunately is this is why we can't have nice things and midday yesterday

When that DC Circuit Court of Appeals opinion came down and I had a chance to read it. I thought, okay, maybe we can have some good things, but I'm

going to put an asterisk behind it. So I wanted to talk about that with my good friend Tom Nichols,

Professor Emeritus at the Naval War College, now a staff writer at the Atlantic

author of the Atlantic Daily newsletter. Books include the death of... Oh, you know who he is.

Tom, I was actually going to look up how many times you've been on the podcast, but I lost

count before I could get to the number.

So welcome back on the podcast.

Well, thank you, China.

It's going to be with you.

This is one of those days. We're staying in front of the fire hose right

because I mean there's so much going on we have the court decision on

citizen Trump we have the Ukraine and the border bill hanging fire we We have Rana Romney McDaniel thrown under the bus.

We have Tucker Carlson doing his youthful idiot routine

with Vladimir Putin in Moscow. And we have JD Vance being JD Vance.

Yeah, I just don't have enough energy to get to that right away.

So can we start with Citizen Trump?

Let's just start with the good stuff, okay? Because I there was a lot of there was a lot of

graping and a lot of hand ringing like where's the court of appeals when are they

coming down with and it really turns out in the end that they were not dragging their feet.

They were just getting it right.

They were coming up with an airtight slam dunk of Donald Trump's claims of presidential immunity,

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