You know, I can't be like the one black kid in town, the only person getting a Harvard who then comes home without a degree. So I would. I get that. What is a non-sectarian socialist? It's an answer you have to give to guitar world when they try to emulate. We attracted to women in Renaissance style. Much more so than in real life. The Braggian's machine is like the ring in Lord of the Rings. It drives man mad. It drives man mad. Alright, we're gonna jump right into the deep end. By all means. Do you view the entire world through the prism of Star Trek? Like many trekkies do? No, no, no. I would say that Star Trek harmonized with suspicions that I already had about how the world might want to be. You know the Treckies are. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. But everything's so. So I gotta ask you one of these cheesy kind of questions. Yeah. Who was the character on the OG Star Trek that you were most attracted to? Cause we do kind of define ourselves that way. Sure, sure. Probably, Sulu in a way. Yeah, probably Sulu. Yeah, sure, probably Sulu in a way. Because first of all, I appreciated the diversity in the cast, which of course was a big deal to me being sort of like the only black kid in all white town. But there was something about Sulu that it felt to me like he was, he didn't have the weight of the world on his shoulders, and yet he was in the coolest one. Was he the one that had the kind of the cool haircut? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That felt to me like he had a lot of range. I just found out the other day that his character was forced in by the network because they wanted a teen idolish character.

And his character was, his haircut was based on the monkeys. Did you know that? I didn't know that. Well, it worked. It worked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you're, I always, you know, because we both grew up in Illinois, not too far from each other. But how did you get from, Tell me the family story of how you got from Harlem,

which is where you're going to Chicago.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

I want my mom, my father in East Africa in Kenya. She was teaching there. And then I was born in Harlem and she was a single mom, living and- But is this sorry to interrupt you? Yeah. And again, who knows? Because, you? Because you do your research, but who knows?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I saw something where your father said he's not my kid and took off. No, no, no, no, no. That's not the real story. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. So, my mom was teaching in East Africa where she was, you know, part of a bunch of like sort of white US teachers in the Aberdeen Mountains where she went to teach and she met the people

making Kenya's independence movement there and And that felt more interesting to her. And my dad, who's Joe McKeniatas nephew, they became romantically involved. And that was not going, sort of raising an American half-white kid was not going to be sort of a part of his destiny. So she moved back to the States. She wanted to live somewhere where she grew up was entirely white. She wanted to live somewhere with some diversity because she was going to be raising a black kid. So she moved to Harlem. And that's where I was born. Okay. West, 140 second in Riverside is where we had a little apartment. but the short for the Jimmy Dean show, Jimmy Dean who was both a star and made sauce. Jimmy Dean of the country fame. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. I started in a rough because it's a important part of your life story. But that was the pumpkin's go to road destination was the Jimmy Dean franchise because you got the best breakfast. You got the jacks looked at. The rage have a on the road. Breakfast. I was like during certain swaths of the country,

Waffle House, of course, was always sort of, you know. Jack's looked at rage have a on the road breakfast. I was like during certain

swaths of the country waffle house

of course was always sort of you know

for us Jimmy Dean was like we were

we're we're really spending yeah exactly

yeah I was I was aiming for more

coloric intake.

Just a lot less per per per dollar.

Sorry to wrap it up.

That's right.

Totally totally totally by both

both those are important parts of my

life story. Yeah, so she, we lived there for about a year, then she moved back to Central, Marseille,

Zillenoid.

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