I'm not happy at the way the industry's run. Okay. I love this part. Never said this to anyone. He got offered to go and read for... And you said no. I said no. What's your first impression? Did you have an impression of him, the band? I always put me in the room a little bit. Well, it was packed, it was sweaty. When it started out, I'm like, what the hell is this? I can remember my best friend who is an agent said to me, you can't let this go out. This is disgraceful, you can't stop it. And I'm like, oops, too late. Too late. So I've read a lot Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Too you remember about post-war Britain. Yeah, in fact, the house where I grew up, we moved from there. So from one to 12, I lived in a house that right behind was still bomb sites. Even when I left at 12, there was still bombsites. And what did people tell you?

Like, here in America, it was always the Great Depression. That's what you always heard about. You heard about World War II, but World War II didn't happen here. Right. It was about grandpa went overseas, and then did want to talk about what he saw, that type of stuff. But of course, Europe lived in the sight of the war. So what do that feel like and what do people tell you about the war?

Everything was related of the war. So what did that feel like, and what did people tell you about the war? Everything was related to the war. There were even, I can remember as a child, there were gas masks hanging as you came into our house where you hang your coat, there were gas masks hanging. Still? Yeah. And there were air raid shelters at the bottom of our garden. Wow. Did that leave an impression on you in any way? I'm just curious. Yeah, because we all, I mean, we all played on the bomb sites. It was right at the back of our house. There was a whole street that had gone. Yeah. And all the kids in the area, you know, it was the time where you did play in the streets. Yeah. And we would always be there. And too, with my husband, he, he too played on bombsite. Yeah. And it was just very much a part of our, of our lives. It was, it was, um, oh, you killed Jesus. You started World War II. Yeah. Because being a Jew, it was like, you very much got. Ah, I never thought about it that way. Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, I heard that, you know, if you, we didn't have as many Jewish classmates in where I grew up, but, you know, the one kid that was that you killed Jesus, like it was the, we know even but we used to say it. I used to hear it and go, this guy Jesus. Yeah. Well. Yeah. Yeah, because I was thinking about it and knowing I was going to talk to you because obviously with Sabbath and Ozzie's music, you do feel that growing up in the horror of war. I mean, Warp Higgs is one of the great anti-war songs of all time. You know, it's in the lyric. And even, you know, the American and UK fascination with comic books and this idea of self-empowerment, superheroes, and fighting the Nazis and all this type of stuff, Captain America. But I thought, you know, it didn't strike me that it was part of your story that I know about, but I thought it must have affected you, and it certainly affected your family. Very much. And there was this guy called Mosley, and he was a sir, and he was a Nazi. after the war, he was still hanging around in England. Oh, wow. And was he a British subject? British, yeah, very, very well spoken. Used to hang out with the royal family. He's one of his best friends in the world was the king that abdicated. Right. And they ended up living near each other in France. So they were always buddy buddies and he was a huge Nazi and used to give rallies everywhere in England. And my dad used to go and they would be fights all the time because the Jewish people would go baby.

This is pre-war.

After?

After too.

Oh, I don't know how anybody could defend that after, but.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Be a time.

There's always reminds me that famous money python skit where Hitler is hilt her.

Yes.

It's John Cleese and he's like, he's running for a local council.

You know, there's that's what

anyway, sorry. They're the best. They're funniest. I want to talk about your dad, but there's not a ton of information about your mother and you know, again, it's we're in this world of information. There's so much information readily, readily available, but if you want to dig deeper, it just goes into nothing.

Yeah, yeah.

And so I found some pictures of your mother and sort of about... There's so much information readily available, but if you want to dig deeper, it just goes into nothing.

Yeah, yeah.

And so I found some pictures of your mother

and sort of ballerina costumes and her being a ballerina.

And even some insinuation that you too wanted to be a ballerina.

I did, yeah.

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