This is a global original podcast.

Hello and welcome to full disclosure with me, James O'Brien,

a podcast project conceived chiefly as a way of letting me meet people I've always wanted to meet,

but obviously the privations and restrictions of lockdown mean that it is only on this occasion a virtual meeting.

Nonetheless, this week's guest, Tom Kerridge, is very much in the category of people that I

have wanted to meet for a long time.

And it's hard, Tom, to pinpoint precisely when you became a public figure, actually,

when you became someone who is recognised and who is i suppose we have to use

the f word don't we who is famous when would you say that moment i don't know it's quite weird

because you know like i went into the world of being a chef 30 years ago um and then i found myself

in this position now where i'm chatting to you and and and with a voice on pubs and food and weight loss and like all sorts of bits

and bobs and it's been kind of a...

I think probably the first point of view of when I was noticed on...

It was from a television point of view for this great British menu,

which has been a...

You know, it's an entertainment, it's, it's an entertainment

show, essentially. But it, what it does do is it, it showcases, um, great restaurants and

chefs that are up and down the country. It doesn't mean that it's always southeast centric.

So it's been, and I did quite well on it and I, I, I, I went on, so the BBC asked us to do, you know, another show.

And I quite enjoyed, it was, it came at the right point in my life as well.

Because when you get to an age where you start going, you know, you've done quite well in a

career in your building, and you end up with an interest in somebody else's world,

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