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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Tom Aspinall: The UFC Doesn't Want You To Know This! Jon Jones Wasn't Living Like An Athlete!

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

FlightStory

Society & Culture, Business, Education

4.613.2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2025

⏱️ 133 minutes

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Summary

BREAKING: Dana White announces Jon Jones retirement…but UFC Heavyweight star Tom Aspinall still wants a title fight. He reveals the truth about Jon Jones’ retirement, and breaks down the champion mindset, fear, and mental toughness required for UFC title fights.  Tom Aspinall is the undisputed UFC Heavyweight Champion, a top-ranked professional mixed martial artist, and the first British heavyweight in history to claim a UFC title. He was set to face UFC legend Jon Jones until Jones announced his retirement in June 2025, automatically elevating Aspinall from interim to undisputed champion. Tom explains:  The mental trick he uses to control fear before stepping into the cage. Why so many young men feel lost, and how MMA gave him purpose. The harsh reality of life as a UFC fighter behind the scenes. How embracing pain, pressure, and adversity made him a champion. 00:00 Intro 02:37 Did You See This Coming? 03:16 What Was Your Reaction When You Found Out Jon Jones Was Retiring? 04:08 Did You Want to Fight Jon? 05:06 Was Jon's Decision a Strategic Dodge? 06:08 Do You Take It as a Compliment? 07:14 Would You Fight Jon If He Came Back? 08:36 What's Changed Overnight? 10:28 Who's the Contender Now? 11:33 When Will You Fight Next? 13:47 What Was Your Family's Reaction? 15:14 If Jon Is Watching, What Would You Say? 17:33 The Dream to Become a Heavyweight Champion 18:17 Where Does Tom Aspinall Come From? 19:37 Where Did Your Inspiration Come From? 21:53 What Kept You Going? 24:38 Why Did Your Mum Never Come to an MMA Fight? 26:32 What Advice Would You Give to Young People? 29:41 I'm Scared to Fight Anybody 31:55 I've Always Been Fearful to Fight 32:56 Overcoming the Fear 35:29 Working on Your Mental Strength 37:49 Tom's Process of Writing Things Down 41:22 Very Few Make Money Fighting 44:14 Tom Aspinall's Career Progression and Fighting Style 48:33 When Do You Start Making Good Money? 49:59 Sergei Pavlovich Fight 51:09 It Takes Years to Become an Overnight Success 52:34 Having Kids at 23 and Not Being Able to Support Them 57:11 Your Rock Bottom Moment 58:37 Tom's Family 01:01:58 Ads 1:02:57 My Knee Problems Helped My Career Massively 1:06:22 Surrounded by Toxic People 1:09:45 How Did You Feel After the Injury? 1:11:58 Did It Knock Your Confidence? 1:13:32 Jon Jones 1:17:40 There's No Contract Signed 1:23:58 Tom's Fighting Secrets 1:26:16 The Health Routine to Get Into Elite Shape 01:30:08:17 Ads 1:31:12 Why Do You Do Hypnotherapy? 1:34:36 Your Journey With Anxiety 1:37:30 Your Son's Health 1:38:18 Having an Autistic Child 1:47:27 The Importance of an Autism Diagnosis 1:52:47 The UFC Heavyweight Champion Belt 1:53:43 How Did You Feel Winning the Heavyweight Championship? 1:55:28 Retiring Early to Avoid Cognitive Issues 2:00:54 Why Are You Special? 2:03:59 How I Prepare Mentally on Fight Day Follow Tom:  Instagram - https://bit.ly/4kbCZGh  YouTube - https://bit.ly/4lhLwbO  Get your hands on the Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards here: https://bit.ly/conversationcards-mp   Get email updates: https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt  Follow Steven: https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb  Sponsors:  Vanta - https://vanta.com/steven   KetoneIQ - Visit https://ketone.com/STEVEN for 30% off your subscription order Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm the number one heavyweight in the world right now, and I'm scared to fight everybody.

0:33.1

What about John Jones?

0:34.2

I'd be an idiot otherwise.

0:35.4

But now that I understand fear and what it does for me,

0:42.3

it just fuels me so much in a way that nothing else can. So I'll be prepared to do whatever I need to do. But I just don't like what he's doing because I can't function, knowing that I trained

0:48.4

for a fight and didn't actually fight somebody. John Jones is officially retired.

0:57.1

Tom Aspinall is the heavyweight champion of the UFC.

0:58.4

Did you see this coming?

1:02.0

And do you have any idea when you'll be back in the octagon?

1:02.8

I do, yeah, yeah.

1:06.6

Tom, you're the only ever British heavyweight champion of the UFC.

1:10.2

So what advice can you give young men that a struggling to find that sense of purpose? It takes years to become an overnight success.

1:12.6

I've been going since I was eight years old and I've been up against so many tests from career-ending injuries to financial struggles to mental struggles.

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