From the campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

Here's your host, Scott Bertrand.

Hello again, everybody, and welcome

into another edition of the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour. On this episode, we talked with Todd

Mack from Hillsdale's Spanish department, while the current protest involving Spain and

Catalonia. Writer Michael Walsh joins us to look at President Trump's re-election

possibilities and what he calls Trump trauma.

Ben Whalen from Hillsdale's English Department will take us through Shakespeare's 12th night.

And Lee Cole will talk about being a student at Hillsdale, then returning to teach here.

First, we're joined by Dr. Todd Mack, Assistant Professor of Spanish at Hillsdale College, Dr. Mack, thanks for joining

us. Thanks for having me. Talking today about a subject, maybe people have seen headlines,

but don't know much about protest unrest in Spain. Let's start with those who are really

unaware of what's happening in Spain. Describe the current situation there.

The gist of it is that there is a strong movement for independence in Catalonia for a number of reasons that I'm sure we'll get into.

There is no real legal mechanism because of the way that the Spanish government has been set up.

And so they've resorted to take into the streets in protest.

And we're seeing some of the biggest mass protests in European history, for sure happening in Spain now largely peaceful

and people just trying to find a way to get what the government is unwilling or

unable to give them so you describe the size of the, which might answer a bit of this next question,

but is the conflict or is this disagreement between the leaders, you know, Catalonia, Spain

leaders, or is it also among the people of both sides, so to speak?

It really is driven by popular discontent in Catalonia.

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