Donald Trump pleads not guilty as Mark Meadows takes the stand.

Testimony from Trump's chief of staff provides a window into his shaky defense in Georgia,

and a warning about what a second Trump term would look like.

I'll ask Congressman Adam Schiff about that and the argument that Trump could be removed from the ballot under the 14th Amendment.

Plus, Rudy Giuliani has been found legally liable for defaming

two Georgia election workers. The attorney for Shane Moss and Ruby Freeman joins me live. And later,

most Republicans continue to blame the plague of gun violence on everything but guns. Senator

Chris Murphy is here with reaction to what they're saying and what the Biden administration is

actually doing.

On its face, a hearing this week with Donald Trump's former chief of staff, Mark Meadows,

revolved around what might sound like a sideshow legal issue compared to the larger problems facing the former president. He wants to move his case from state to federal

court. But what we learn from his nearly four hours of questioning has implications far beyond a

potential change of venue for his trial. In addition to giving us the first sense of what the

argument may be from a number of Trump's other co-conspirators, of which there are many,

the testimony was also another flashing warning sign of what a second Trump term could look like.

I mean, let's see everyone on the key defense we heard from Mark Meadows. He argued that the

allegations outlined in the indictment,

you know, the unrelenting pursuit of baseless claims of election fraud, the pressure campaign

on Georgia officials to find votes, the conspiratorial behavior to keep Trump in power.

He says all of that was, quote, part of my role, as in his role. And he doesn't think anything he did,

including overtly political campaign activities, was outside of his scope as chief of staff.

Now, that may all sound pretty outlandish to you, understandable if it does, even a little bit laughable.

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