Welcome back to two judgy girls. This is Mary from the Bay. And I have a special guest, Real Moms of Bravo, Vanessa. Welcome.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. We're here without our other halves.

I know. We're like cheating on them a little bit, but I'm completely. There's no one else I'd rather

cheat with than Mary from the Bay. I'm so honored. And there's just so much to talk about.

So I was just happy.

I was like, I got to get her on.

We got to talk about all the hot goss.

This is going to be just like hot topics.

And let's also introduce yourself, like, tell us where we can find you, like how you, how Real Moms

of Bravo started, all that good stuff. Yeah, of course. So I am one half of Real Moms of Bravo.

This is Vanessa. My other half is Abby. She's currently on vacation right now, just like Courtney's on

vacation. Where is she on? Where is she on vacation? She's in Hilton Head. She's with her family.

Lovely, lovely. Yes. So we started Real Moms of Bravo. Actually, we were inspired by two

judgy girls. I don't know that I've ever told you guys this, but we were inspired by two

judgy girls. Abby and I have always had a friendship with the foundational base of Bravo. While everyone

was talking the bachelor, we would talk Bravo. And this had been seven years ago, I think,

maybe seven years ago. But anyways, I talked her into starting a podcast while she was about to have her second child. And my thing was,

there's so many true crime podcasts. No one's going to complain about there being a Bravo podcast and why not do it at the angle of motherhood. And so we, you know, you were kind of like our North Star, two judge you girls. And that's how real moment. Real moms of Bravo was born. And you guys went to college together?

Yes. We went to University of Missouri. We're Midwest girls. That's how we met. We went to journalism school. Abbey's in St. Louis and I'm in Kansas City.

Awesome. Fantastic. Okay. Well, let's just start at the top because big

summer house news. Okay. I want to, I want to like rewind a little bit because personal at the reunion,

I was shocked that Lindsay and Turner were on a break. Were you shocked by this?

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