TIVP066: Valuing Constellation Software's Spinoffs: Topicus, Lumine and co. w/ Daniel Mahncke & Shawn O’Malley

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🗓️ 5 April 2026

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Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley take a deep dive into four companies operating in the shadow of one of the greatest compounders of the last two decades — Constellation Software. Some investors believe that Topicus, Lumine, Sygnity, and Asseco Poland represent the best way to own the CSI model today, while others argue that the spinoffs lack the institutional depth and deal flow of the mother ship. Join Daniel and Shawn as they assess which of these mini-Constellations has the most compelling setup, and whether any of them deserve a spot in the portfolio. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN: (00:00:00) Intro (00:01:12) Why smaller VMS companies are interesting (00:09:23) How the law of large numbers shifts CSU’s focus (00:11:04) About Topicus and why it's the closest copy of CSU (00:14:57) Why VMS is so attractive for acquirers (00:31:13) Lumine and its focus on the media and communication vertical (00:44:16) Sygnity and its new chapter (01:03:51) Asseco Poland and why it might be a the next Topicus (01:11:40) Whether Shawn and Daniel add a Mini Constellation to the portfolio *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES The Investors Podcast Network is excited to debut a new community known as The Intrinsic Value Community for investors to learn, share ideas, network, and join calls with experts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up for the waitlist(!)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Newsletter.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn how to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠join us⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ in Omaha for the 2026 Berkshire Hathaway shareholder meeting. Track ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Portfolio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Shawn & Daniel use ⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠⁠ for every company they research — use their ⁠⁠⁠⁠referral link⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get started with a 15% discount! Outsiders’ Corner Asseco Writeup. Outsider’s Corner Asseco Writeup No.2. Alankrit Capital Sygnity Writeup. Seeking Winners Lumine Writeup. Check out our previous Intrinsic Value breakdowns: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Transdigm⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Salesforce⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Berkshire Hathaway⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠FICO⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠PayPal,⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Uber⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Nike⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Amazon⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Airbnb⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Alphabet⁠⁠⁠⁠. Related ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ mentioned in the podcast. Ad-free episodes on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Feed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try Shawn's favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Finance⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy exclusive perks from our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠favorite Apps and Services⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠best business podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ References to any third-party products, services, or advertisers do not constitute endorsements, and The Investor's Podcast Network is not responsible for any claims made by them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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0:00.0	Constellation Software has been one of the most successful compounders of the last decade,
0:05.3	but every business at that scale faces a similar problem, the law of large numbers.
0:10.0	But Constellation is a programmatic acquire, and that means there are other, much smaller
0:15.0	businesses out there following the exact same playbook, and many of them are even managed by
0:20.5	Constellation since they were spinoffs or acquisitions. And many of them are even managed by Constellations since they were
0:21.9	spinoffs or acquisitions. And they could be the next big thing. And that's what we look for
0:26.8	today. We analyze four Constellation spin-offs and acquisitions and basically see which one
0:32.0	is the best equipped to compound over the next decade.
0:45.3	You're listening to the Intrinsic Value podcast by the Investors Podcast Network. Since 2014, with over 180 million downloads, we've learned directly from the world to best investors.
0:52.3	Now, we're applying those lessons to analyze businesses
0:55.5	and investment opportunities every week, helping you uncover intrinsic value. And now,
1:02.0	here are your hosts, Sean O'Malley and Daniel Monker.
1:17.1	At the end of our Constellation episode a couple of weeks ago, we couldn't shake the feeling that our money might be better off invested in smaller companies running the exact same
1:22.4	playbook. These Constellation copycats, spinoffs, and some companies where Mark Leonard is actually
1:27.4	personally invested too. And so in the last few weeks, Daniel, I know you've dug into these constellation copycats, spinoffs, and some companies where Mark Leonard is actually personally
1:27.9	invested too. And so in the last few weeks, Daniel, I know you've dug into a handful of these
1:33.0	companies. And in today's episodes, we'll be digging into all of them. And those companies
1:38.0	are Topicus, Lumine Group, Signity, and Asako, Poland. And knowing that we usually need about
1:44.1	90 minutes for just one company,
1:45.5	I'm a little scared of how long we'll go for today. But yeah, they all follow the same playbook.
1:50.8	So hopefully we can kind of keep it at a high level for each one.
1:54.9	Well, obviously, we can go as in death as we usually do, right? I mean, the investment case or
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