TIVP065: Spotify (SPOT): Investing in Music in the Age of AI w/ Shawn O’Malley & Daniel Mahncke

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4.6 • 593 Ratings

🗓️ 29 March 2026

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Shawn O'Malley and Daniel Mahncke explore Spotify Inc. (ticker: SPOT), the world's largest audio streaming platform, and assess whether the company can sustain its growth and improve margins against fierce competition from YouTube, Apple, and Amazon, or whether it will remain trapped as a low-margin intermediary in the music industry. Spotify saved the recorded music industry from piracy and built a platform that over 750 million people use monthly. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00:00 - Intro00:13:25 - How Spotify saved the recorded music industry from piracy00:24:40 - Why the freemium business model was key to Spotify's growth00:29:24 - What makes Spotify's recommendation engine and personalization a competitive moat00:51:00 - How Spotify is diversifying beyond music into podcasts and audiobooks00:37:56 - Why music streaming margins are structurally constrained by label royalties01:16:27 - How YouTube poses the biggest competitive threat to Spotify01:11:26 - What Spotify's management team thinks about AI's impact on the business00:41:11 - How Spotify's pricing power and international expansion affect its valuation01:28:14 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add SPOT to their Intrinsic Value Portfolio *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES The Investors Podcast Network is excited to debut a new community known as The Intrinsic Value Community for investors to learn, share ideas, network, and join calls with experts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up for the waitlist(!)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Newsletter.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn how to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠join us⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ in Omaha for the 2026 Berkshire Hathaway shareholder meeting. Track ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Portfolio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Shawn & Daniel use ⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.ai⁠⁠⁠ for every company they research — use their ⁠⁠⁠referral link⁠⁠⁠ to get started with a 15% discount! Check out The Story of Spotify, w/ Shawn O’Malley (podcast from 2024). Shawn & Daniel’s coverage of Universal Music Group on The Intrinsic Value Podcast. Shawn & Daniel’s newsletter on Universal Music Group. Tim Ferriss’s interview with Daniel Ek. Check out our previous Intrinsic Value breakdowns: ⁠⁠⁠Transdigm⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Salesforce⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Berkshire Hathaway⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠FICO⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠PayPal,⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Uber⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Nike⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Amazon⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Airbnb⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Alphabet⁠⁠⁠. Related ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ mentioned in the podcast. Ad-free episodes on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Feed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try Shawn's favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Finance⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy exclusive perks from our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠favorite Apps and Services⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠best business podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ References to any third-party products, services, or advertisers do not constitute endorsements, and The Investor's Podcast Network is not responsible for any claims made by them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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0:00.0	Spotify might be the most used media app on your phone and also one of the more underappreciated
0:06.4	tech giants on all of Wall Street.
0:08.7	Because everyone agrees it's a great product, but investors can't decide if it is a great
0:13.1	business too.
0:14.1	Spotify is a company that saved the recorded music industry, yet it struggled for years
0:20.0	to prove that it could achieve the
0:21.6	kinds of operating leverage of other tech giants. But now, margins are finally just starting to
0:28.0	inflect. You're listening to the Intrinsic Value podcast by the Investors Podcast Network.
0:37.1	Since 2014, with over 180 million downloads, we You're listening to the Intrinsic Value podcast by the Investors Podcast Network.
0:43.9	Since 2014, with over 180 million downloads, we've learned directly from the world's best investors.
0:50.4	Now, we're applying those lessons to analyze businesses and investment opportunities every week,
0:52.9	helping you uncover intrinsic value.
0:58.3	And now, here are your hosts, Sean O'Malley and Daniel Monker.
1:07.2	Welcome back to the Intrinsic Value podcast.
1:12.0	Today we're looking at a company that almost everyone listening has used and may even be using to listen to or to watch this very conversation. We're talking about Spotify. Sean,
1:17.1	you have covered Spotify and a podcast back in, I think, 24, which we will also link to in the show
1:22.0	notes. But I am really excited to see how you're thinking has evolved, because a lot has happened
1:26.5	in the meantime. And as always,
1:28.7	we want to build a mental model of what Spotify is, why it exists, and where the value of its
1:34.3	platform actually accrues. And what needs to be true for us to consider the stock attractively
1:39.2	priced or valued today? Given how much we always joke about, just looking down at what apps we use most on our
1:46.7	phones and this kind of Peter Lynch style investment inspiration, it's pretty funny that the app we
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