They hesitated and waited and now we're in this place where Title 42 has become the thing

and the thing that both Republicans and Democrats are using to say, we don't want immigrants anymore,

like this is our strategy. Welcome to the Death Panel.

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or follow us at Doff Panel underscore. I am so excited for this conversation we're going to have

today. In today's episode, Artie, Phil, and I are here with Silky Shaw. Silky is the

executive director of Detention Watch Network, which is a grassroots organization working to abolish

immigration detention in the United States. Silkie, thank you so much for joining us today and

welcome to the death panel. Thanks so much for having me on. It's good to be here. I'm really looking

forward to getting into our broader conversation for today about immigration detention and in particular discussing

how the Biden administration has dropped the ball on its promises to end the Trump-era

usage of an obscure public health law called Title 42 and the pandemic to further pre-existing

anti-immigrant agendas. But before we get into that, for those who are not

familiar with your work, can you briefly explain what your background is silky and what your work

is with Detention Watch Network and also what DWN does and what the purpose is?

Yeah, sure. So I am the executive director of Detention Watch Network, but I'm an organizer. I've been working on issues related to immigration, racial justice, the prison industrial complex for almost 20 years now. And, you know, Detention Watch Network has actually been around. It's our 25th anniversary this year. We've been around since the passage of the

1996 laws, which really sort of shifted the paradigm on immigration and led to much more

detention and deportation. And so we're a broad membership coalition. We've shifted a lot over the

years, but we have like a base of grassroots organizations,

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