TIP731: Owning Best-in-Class Businesses w/ Joseph Shaposhnik

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Stig Brodersen

Education, Investing, Business

4.6 • 3.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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On today’s episode, Clay is joined by Joseph Shaposhnik to discuss the launch of his new ETF, Rainwater Equity. The Rainwater Equity ETF just launched on June 18th, 2025, under the ticker RW, and its objective is to compound capital at an above-average rate by investing in publicly listed recurring revenue businesses. The fund Joseph managed at his previous firm compounded at 16.7% since 2015, versus the S&P 500’s 13.1% over that same time period. It was also the top-performing fund out of 343 in its US Large Cap Core Equity category by Nasdaq eVestment. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 02:39 - Joseph’s lessons from spending a day with Peter Lynch. 12:09 - Why the active management industry is broken and how Joseph has set out to fix it. 22:12 - Why Bill Miller invested in Joseph’s new ETF. 28:25 - Why recurring revenue is the ultimate business model. 40:11 - Whether any of the Magnificent 7 companies fit into Joseph’s recurring revenue framework. 46:35 - The role that valuation plays in Joseph’s quality investing framework. 55:30 - Joseph’s top stock pick to hold for the next 20 years. 01:03:00 - Why Joseph is attracted to the aerospace aftermarket industry. 01:08:09 - Why Joseph chose the ETF structure over the mutual fund. 01:10:53 - How Joseph determined the appropriate position sizing for his fund. And so much more! Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join Clay and a select group of passionate value investors for a retreat in Big Sky, Montana. Learn more ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Join the exclusive ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Mastermind Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Related Episode: TIP622: Finding Certainty in an Uncertain World w/ Joseph Shaposhnik. Related Episode: TIP522: Unconventional Wisdom from the Greatest Minds in Investing w/ Joseph Shaposhnik. Follow Joseph on LinkedIn & X. Follow Clay on ⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠. Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Feed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. NEW TO THE SHOW? Get smarter about valuing businesses in just a few minutes each week through our newsletter, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠We Study Billionaires Starter Packs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow our official social media accounts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Finance Tool⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy exclusive perks from our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠favorite Apps and Services⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠best business podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠SimpleMining⁠ ⁠Hardblock⁠ ⁠AnchorWatch⁠ ⁠Unchained⁠ ⁠Human Rights Foundation⁠ ⁠Vanta⁠ ⁠Indeed⁠ ⁠Fundrise⁠ ⁠Onramp⁠ ⁠Netsuite⁠ ⁠reMarkable⁠ ⁠Shopify HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠rating and review⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! It takes less than 30 seconds, and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it! Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://premium.theinvestorspodcast.com/ Support our show by becoming a premium member! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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0:00.0	You're listening to TIP.
0:02.8	On today's episode, I'm pleased to be joined by Joseph Sheposhenik to discuss the launch of his new
0:07.9	ETF, Rainwater Equity. The Rainwater Equity ETF just launched on June 18th under the ticker
0:14.6	RW, and its objective is to compound capital at an above-average rate by investing in publicly
0:20.4	listed recurring
0:21.3	revenue businesses. The fund Joseph managed at his previous firm compounded at 16.7% since 2015
0:27.9	versus the S&P 500's 13.1% over that same time period. It was also the top performing fund
0:34.6	out of 343 in its U.S. large-cap core equity category. During this episode,
0:40.6	we cover what Joseph learned from spending a day with Peter Lynch, why the active management
0:45.1	industry is broken and how Joseph has set out to fix it, why Bill Miller provided a cornerstone
0:50.6	investment for Joseph's new ETF, why recurring revenue is the ultimate business
0:55.3	model, whether any of the magnificent seven companies fit into Joseph's recurring revenue framework,
1:00.9	the role that valuation plays in Joseph's investment approach, Joseph's top stock pick to hold
1:05.7	for the next 20 years, why he likes the aerospace aftermarket industry, and so much more.
1:11.2	As a host here at TIP, I searched far and wide to try and interview the very best investors,
1:16.4	and Joseph certainly fits the bill. Also, Joseph will be joining us at our summit event in
1:21.9	Big Sky, Montana. This is a special gathering that TIP will be hosting in September for a small
1:27.1	group from our audience to network,
1:29.0	share ideas, and enjoy great company in the mountains.
1:31.7	There's limited spots, so if you're interested in joining us, you can click the link in the show notes.
1:36.1	So with that, I really hope you enjoy today's episode with Joseph Sheposhnik.
1:43.8	Since 2014 and through more than 180 million downloads, we've studied the financial
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