Tiny Experiments That Create a Big Life with Dr Anne-Laure Le Cunff

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Alli Worthington

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🗓️ 15 September 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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The Uplift app is here! Try it free for 30 days! Today we’re diving into part two of my conversation with the brilliant Anne-Laure Le Cunff—and trust me, you’re going to want to lean in for this one. Anne-Laure is a neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and one of the most refreshingly original voices I’ve come across when it comes to learning, growth, and creativity. Her story is wild in the best way. She walked away from a high-powered career at Google (yes, that Google) to study neuroscience. Now she’s researching the science of curiosity and learning at King’s College London and running Nest Labs, where she helps people think better and live with more intention. What I love most is how she blends deep research with practical tools that actually work—and she’s not afraid to bust the big myths, like the idea that success is some perfect, linear path. Spoiler alert: it’s not. Her book Tiny Experiments absolutely blew me away. It’s packed with wisdom that’ll help you rethink your goals, your mindset, and the way you show up in the world. And today’s episode? It’s going to spark something new in you—I just know it. Timestamps: (01:03) - Why Linear Goals Keep You Stuck (and What to Do Instead) (04:09) - How to Start Breaking Free from Linear Thinking (11:22) - The Crucial Difference Between Real Rest and Mindless Zoning Out (18:15) - How to Make the Second Half of Life Even More Exciting Than the First (23:01) - Why Anyone Can Experiment (and Why You Should) WATCH ALLI ON YOUTUBE Links to great things we discussed: Anne-Laure’s Book: Tiny Experiments Join The Coach School! Classes start this September! https://www.thecoachschool.com/ I hope you loved this episode! 🎉 Don't forget to hit that subscribe button on Apple Podcasts and Spotify so you’re always in the loop. And hey, while you're at it, why not pop over to our YouTube channel and check us out? If you're feeling the love, leave a review and sprinkle some stars—your support truly means the world to me! Take care, and keep shining bright! xo, Alli

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0:00.0	The idea of experimenting is to let go of the outcome and to focus on learning.
0:05.8	That's it.
0:13.3	Welcome back.
0:14.5	Today we have part two of my conversation with Onlor Lecomf, the neuroscientist entrepreneur,
0:20.3	and one of the most original thinkers
0:22.0	on how we learn and grow and create. She left a high power job at Google to study neuroscience,
0:28.5	and now she conducts research into neuroscience of learning and curiosity at King's College London.
0:34.2	She's also the founder of Ness Labs, a company that helps people think better and live
0:38.6	more intentionally. Her work blends science and creativity and practical tools that challenge a lot
0:45.1	of current myths, like the myth of the perfect linear path. I read her book, Tiny Experiments
0:51.7	recently and was so excited to have her on the show. If you haven't listened to
0:56.0	part one, be sure to go back and listen to part one after you listen to this one. You can do it
1:00.3	out of order. It's okay. I won't tell anybody. You do it how you want to do it. Just don't miss it.
1:05.2	Because she is delightful. She is brilliant and I'm so excited to have her on. But before we dive in, I wanted to tell you.
1:13.1	Okay, let's get started with OnLore. I love in your book, you talk about the flaw of linear goals.
1:19.9	You say linear goals stimulate fear. They encouraged toxic productivity and linear goals bring competition and isolation.
1:29.7	Talk about the flaw of linear goals because this is music to my ears.
1:35.2	I'd love everything that you say about it.
1:37.0	I'm so excited to share with the audience.
1:39.4	So a linear goal is when you have a specific outcome in mind. It's really the assumption that in order
1:46.3	to be successful, you need to know where you're going, and then you need to work really, really,
1:52.9	really hard to get there. And then you will be successful. And that creates all of those problems
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