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That's better help help dot com. Hello and welcome to the Bullwork Podcast I'm your host Tim Miller. I'm delighted to be here with fellow Tim Timothy

Snyder professor of history at Yale author of the new book on freedom he's also

written a few other books including Bloodlands Europe between Hitler and Stalin and on tyranny, 20 lessons from the

20th century so you know this is going to be a really uplifting podcast.

How you doing, man?

Thanks for doing this.

Very glad to be with you.

You had an article last week that was getting sent around the Bulwork Slack that I wanted to start with

before we get to On Freedom and it was on your sub-stack which which were all loyal readers of which is

Trump's Hitlerian month. My colleague Bill Crystal is this morning in

morning shots talking about how we maybe we should be talking about how Trump is

more akin to fascism than authoritarianism and that we should be using the F word

I have to admit I've been a little bit hesitant to use the Hitler metaphor because as much as I

despise Donald Trump it's like it's hard for me to envision in my mind gas chambers

you know and so I do wonder if I'm from overstating the case or if I'm

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