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to catch up on the'm your host Tim Miller. You know, it's James Conver, let's do it a little different today.

All right, that's more like it. We like it like that down here.

I am excited to be here today with my man,

the Raging Cage and James Carvel, the subject of the new CNN documentary, Winning is Everything

Stupid. James, welcome back to the pod man. Well, thank you.

I'm glad to be here, Tim.

Good to be here, it is good to be with you as always,

and I was delighted and honored to have our last conversation

be the closing credits of the documentary,

which people should watch watch but I must say

Mary I think was the star of the show and I want you to tell her that she's welcome on this

podcast anytime she's got stuff to get off her chest about you or politics or anything like she was

amazing. She made the movie you know somebody a couple of people come here to me

it's a movie had very strong feminist undertown and Mary and my mother and my sister were very much you know shaping

it but not just shaping it but you know a big part of the film and I think it would have not been

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