Hey, everybody. Tim Miller from the Bullwark here. I went back into the Lions Den of the Pierce Morgan Show.

And on the plate today was Iran. Just a little behind the curtain for you.

I had been booked to discuss Candace's documentary series trying to pin the Charlie Kirk murder on either the French lesionaires, Erica Kirk herself, the Jews,

or some combination of the three. But, you know, when we went to war with Iran, more serious

conversation prevailed. So we focused on that. One thing, when we get to the clips here,

the most interesting part of this panel was it is going to be hard,

I think, for the Trump world to find a lot of strong surrogates for their effort here.

And I think that while a lot of MAGA voters, at least early, are going to give Trump the

benefit of the doubt because they're in a cult. And if you look at polls right now,

you know, he's below where he usually is on stuff. It was kind of in the 70s, about 70%

of Trump voters are for this. You know, among the kind of in the commentariat, uh, among

the Trump MAGA podcast class, all these guys have like spent years talking about how terrible the Bush and

the neocons are and how we need to focus on ourselves and they position themselves as isolationists.

And, you know, there's some shameless people, right? Like there are some people on Fox. They'll just say

whatever. I'll just, you know, cat turd will totally, you know, do a 180 and say,

yes, sir, Mr. Trump, sir, whatever you want. But a lot of these folks, like, they've built

audiences, they've built brand, they've built credibility. They're not going to just all the sudden

say, hell yeah, I want to overthrow the Ayatollah. And I think that that, like, you know, so we're going to see this kind of MAGA crackup

happening that Will and Sam were talking about at the elite level first.

And then it'll be interesting to see how that trickles down to the base voters and to the audience.

But in this group, for example, you know, Pierce gets this guy Ben Ferguson, who's like Ted Cruz's butt boy on his podcast.

He goes on CNN sometime, like a real like a C-list influencer.

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