Tim Maudlin and Tim Palmer: Superdeterminism vs. Bell's Theorem

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Curt Jaimungal

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🗓️ 25 July 2023

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Tim Palmer, a Royal Society Research Professor at Oxford, and philosopher Tim Maudlin discuss superdeterminism, Bell’s theorem, and the implications of chaos theory and free variables for physics. Their debate examines deterministic frameworks, quantum non‑locality, and why these ideas matter for scientific explanation.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:02:04 - Superdeterminism & Fractal Cosmology- 00:05:06 - Tim Palmer's work- 00:09:24 - Tim Maudlin's work- 00:11:47 - Bell inequality assumptions- 00:22:40 - Locality and Superdeterminism- 00:28:33 - Disagreement summary- 00:32:54 - Counterfactuals- 00:59:38 - Chaos theory- 01:26:32 - Free variables- 01:36:30 - Invariant set theory- 01:48:21 - Links and Part 2 teaserSPONSORS:- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!)- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything- TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchRESOURCES:- YouTube link: https://youtu.be/883R3JlZHXE- Tim Maudlin's podcast on TOE: https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss- Primacy of Doubt (Tim Palmer's book): https://amzn.to/3Oo55k7- Metaphysics Within Physics (Tim Maudlin's book): https://amzn.to/3pXHNcn- Quantum Non-Locality and Relativity (Tim Maudlin's book): https://amzn.to/44QoS2F- Go Fund Me for "The John Bell Institute" initiative: https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-permanent-home-for-the-john-bell-institute- Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics (John Bell's book): https://amzn.to/43RyQ2t Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Tim, the whole paper is about free variables and a free variable is something that you can change in your theory.
0:06.7	That's the whole basis of the paper.
0:09.6	Free.
0:10.1	What does free mean?
0:11.0	If it doesn't mean you can't change it, that it has no meaning.
0:15.0	Welcome to theories of everything.
0:16.7	My name is Kurt Jaimungle and on the Toead podcast, we explore theoretical physics, philosophy, and mathematics.
0:22.7	In this episode, we have a theolocation with Tim Modlin and Tim Palmer, exploring Bell's theorem,
0:29.2	and more importantly, the assumptions that go into that theorem.
0:32.5	At times, it felt like the New Testament, like, well, what does Bell say, chapter 2, verse 4?
0:38.6	So interpretations are abound, and there's definitely room for a part two, especially with a blackboard, perhaps even
0:43.7	filmed in person. So if you have questions or comments, please leave it below. Tim Palmer is a
0:49.3	Royal Society Research Professor in the Department of Physics at Oxford. His PhD was in general relativity,
0:55.6	and he retains a strong interest in fundamental physics. He's also an expert on climate physics and
1:00.4	chaos theory, writing a popular book called The Primacy of Doubt, exploring the science of uncertainty
1:06.4	in areas as diverse as the climate, economic forecasting, and quantum physics. He's a fellow
1:12.2	at the Royal Society and an international member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. Tim Modlin
1:18.1	is a professor of philosophy at New York University, specializing in the philosophy of physics.
1:23.1	He's penned several influential books, including quantum non-locality and relativity, as well as the
1:28.4	metaphysics within physics, simplifying abstruse concepts for a broad audience.
1:33.3	He's also the founder of the John Bell Institute, of which there's a GoFundMe in the description.
1:38.4	As usual, every link, everything that's mentioned is in the description.
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