Neil deGrasse Tyson: Why Most UFO Evidence Fails Scientific Rigor

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6 • 606 Ratings

🗓️ 13 July 2023

⏱️ 123 minutes

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Neil deGrasse Tyson joins Curt to explore Chaitin's incompleteness theorem, the limits of AI, and the UFO debate, while weaving philosophy and physics into a lively conversation. They also tackle the role of evidence in science and discuss upcoming cosmic threats.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:02:52 - What Neil is working on- 00:04:57 - What fundamental aspect of our universe will change?- 00:06:27 - Nobel Prize, Bell's Inequality, and Locality- 00:09:27 - Chaitin's Incompleteness Theorem- 00:13:59 - The role of philosophy in physics- 00:17:32 - Norton's Dome- 00:29:24 - Carlo Rovelli, Lee Smolin, and John Baez on Philosophy- 00:39:50 - The limitations of the scientific method- 00:45:48 - Whistleblower David Grusch and UFO "testimony"- 00:49:15 - The government is not as incompetent as people say- 00:56:09 - Increscent evidence and extraordinary claims- 00:57:44 - If Neil encountered an alien but didn't film it, what would he do?- 01:06:18 - Analyses by Kevin Knuth, et al.'s on UAP radar- 01:07:54 - Why not apply "where's the evidence" to String Theory and the social "sciences"?- 01:13:32 - How Neil prepares for interviews and speeches- 01:25:10 - Straw man vs. the Strongest man (Neil disparagers the UFO topic)- 01:31:05 - Curt suggests Neil may have a biased set...- 01:37:35 - Debunking that Aristotle thought heavier bodies fall faster- 01:41:19 - Neil doesn't have "beliefs"- 01:46:09 - Impending asteroids colliding with Earth- 01:48:42 - Curt proposes a bet on the UAP topic to Neil...- 01:57:03 - Closing thoughtsSPONSORS:- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast...- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9...- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeveryt...- TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchRESOURCES:- YouTube link: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs- Neil deGrasse Tyson's NEW book - Starry Messenger: Cosmic Perspectives on Civilization: https://amzn.to/3QaXBn5- Norton's Dome: https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Good...- Richard Borcherd's video on Aristotle: https://youtu.be/MHTgCXdBohs- Alex O'Connor's NDT podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukhmq...- Kevin Knuth's UAP Analysis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti... Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Okay. This is the wrong subject for you to justify your disagreement with me by suggesting I might be biased.
0:07.5	That is the pick a different subject where I could be biased. Not this one.
0:11.3	You're not saying you're biased. I'm saying that. This is what I get when I'm in the public.
0:15.5	I don't know what it is. Therefore, aliens. People do say that. They do say that.
0:19.4	No, not few people. How many people do you interact with?
0:24.1	Neil deGrasse Tyson is an astrophysicist, an author, and a science communicator, who is the director
0:29.2	of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York City.
0:34.5	Neil also has a new book called The Starry Messenger, Cosmic Perspectives
0:38.6	on Civilization, which is in the description. Today we talk about UFOs, artificial intelligence,
0:44.0	and whether there's more to this world than the mere peregrinations of scientific application.
0:49.1	It's a tough conversation to bring to you, and it's tough for several reasons. Number one, the subject matter
0:55.3	itself tends to be contentious. Number two, the style of my questions and remarks tended to clash
1:01.0	with Neals. And number three, there are just miscommunications all around. Most of that's my
1:05.4	fault, and I'll hopefully improve in the future as a result of this interview. Despite that,
1:10.0	I absolutely loved the podcast. In
1:13.0	fact, it's one of my favorites. I didn't want it to finish. And at no time was Neil upset with me,
1:17.6	nor I with him. We clarified that twice. This is just how people disagree, usually behind the
1:23.0	closed doors of the university when attempting to discuss almost any topic in a scientific manner.
1:27.9	My name is Kurt Jemungle, and I have a podcast here called Theories of Everything, where I use
1:31.8	my background in mathematical physics to analyze theories of everything, predominantly from
1:36.5	a theoretical physics perspective, though I'm interested in other approaches as to what's
1:40.5	fundamental. Is presentism correct? What about holism over reductionism? What about
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