Tim Mak on the Ukrainian Counteroffensive

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Tim Mak is a writer, reporter, and founder of the online publication The Counteroffensive. He was formerly the Washington Investigative Correspondent for National Public Radio. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Tim Mak discuss the slow progress of Ukraine’s counteroffensive and how a big breakthrough might come about; how the collective experience of resisting Russian aggression has contributed to a shared sense of Ukrainian national identity; and what the future may hold for a post-war Ukraine. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Timothy Snyder had a really interesting article a few weeks before all of this happened
0:04.6	saying that the moment when open politics starts in an autocratic society or in an autocratic
0:11.2	system that's the start of the end when government officials begin to beef with each other openly and that politics starts to take hold, that's a signal of maybe not the imminent collapse of an autocratic system but a very dangerous moment for the dictator in charge
0:27.5	Because in its functioning
0:29.6	dictatorship as it were in appropriately dictatorship, there can't be politics, there can't be some
0:36.4	mercenary group head demanding publicly to have the minister of defense removed from power. That sort of thing can't happen in a stable
0:45.3	dictatorship and that's where we were led over the last weekend and over the last week.
0:51.6	And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.
0:57.0	My occasional steel today is perhaps unusually about a piece of very good news.
1:07.0	The Supreme Court was asked to rule in a complicated case about the North Carolina statue, but put to the test a really threatening idea about American democracy,
1:20.0	what some people have called the independent state legislature doctrine.
1:26.0	According to this idea, the administration of federal elections would be so fully in the control and the gift of individual states that
1:37.1	the Supreme Court and federal institutions would have minimal standing to redress very clear and blatant abuses of the law.
1:47.0	An endorsement of this theory by the Supreme Court would have opened the path for governors in 2024, 28 saying they disagree with other bodies
2:00.4	within the state about who the rightful winner of the election is, and they're simply
2:05.4	going to send a slate of electors that they prefer to the Electoral College.
2:11.5	They would effectively have handed some of these political figures the power to overturn the outcome of free and fair elections.
2:24.6	Well, this week the Supreme Court
2:27.2	around you rejected that theory in its ruling
2:31.0	on Mor v Harper.
2:34.3	This puts to an end one of the most dangerous ways by which the elections in 2024-28 could have been stolen and could have led to significant
2:46.4	civic strife because of disagreement between different institutions about who the
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