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The Good Fight

Michael Lind Makes the Case for Economic Populism

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2023

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Michael Lind is a writer and professor of the practice at the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the co-founder of the think tank New America and the author of The New Class War: Saving Democracy From the Managerial Elite and, most recently, Hell to Pay: How the Suppression of Wages is Destroying America. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Michael Lind discuss whether one’s stances towards free trade, taxation, and workers’ rights are still a reliable predictor of voters’ broader political identity; why Lind, though he supports many economically progressive policies, is often classed as a conservative; and whether efforts to rebuild labor power and reinvigorate national industrial policy will succeed in improving the economy for ordinary people. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Terms and conditions apply, see M&M's website for more details. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:47.0

Hi my name is Francisco Toro. I'm a contributing editor at Persuasion. I recently

1:00.0

wrote a middle way on abortion about the Miskokuyo. It's a Buddhist ritual in Japan for mourning children

1:10.0

who were never born. And while I went out there trying to write about the poisonous

1:15.3

politics of abortion from a different point of view once I was in front of this

1:20.3

priest in this small temple outside Shizuoka and he started performing a kind of demonstration of the ritual, I found myself so bound up in the words, in the chance, in the incense, and in just a sense of loss that the

1:38.0

ritual could create that I started thinking about the people in my life who've had pregnancies that haven't come to term and just

1:45.8

realizing how sad it is that we don't take a moment to mark these things and that whichever

1:51.8

side of the abortion debate you're on people often don't feel

1:55.2

like they're allowed to take a moment to mark their sadness or their loss.

2:01.4

It brought me to a realization and abortion is such a personal thing and that it's really

2:06.5

so strange that we deal with it only in this hyper politicized terms.

2:11.4

So I hope you'll give it a read, some persuasion, the name is A Middle

2:16.4

Way on abortion.

2:19.7

Francisco Toro's piece called A Middle Way for Abortion was published by Persuasion.

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