it will be clear that Tim Cook's legacy was his rewiring of the supply chain,

as far as electronics manufacturing was concerned,

and really tightening this allegiance between China's manufacturing base and U.S.

tech products.

And doing this in a way that facilitated sort of mass production of objects that require great skill to produce

and to do so quickly and at great volume.

Music volume.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation Magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks. And before we get to this week's guests, who I think you're really going to enjoy, especially for those long-time listeners of the show, just a reminder that Tech Won't Save Us turned six years old this month.

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appreciate it. If you went over to patreon.com slash tech won't save us, became a supporter, helped us hit our goal, and set us up well as we head into this next year of Tech Won't Save Us. So thanks so much for that. Now, this week's guest is none other than Brian Merchant. He has been on the show many times in the past. He is the author of Blood in the Machine, a fantastic book about the Luddites,

and also writes a newsletter of the same name, which you know, you should definitely check out

and subscribe to. When I saw the news that Tim Cook was resigning as CEO to become executive

chairman and would be replaced by John Ternus in September, I figured this was a story that we had

to talk about. Tim Cook is not one of those

CEOs who we talk about so often. He is not regularly making right wing or even generally

political statements at all. He is not someone who is like championing the future of the West or

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