But that's what I think of, what I think of these outlets.

It's like they're journalism, but they're just like dull, bland garbage designed not to offend anybody that's just not really useful. I think you'd be better off going and watching the Muppet show for a half an hour, and you'd probably come away better inform than most of this stuff. It's just not good. It's not interesting. They're not really interested in tech. And I think it's embarrassing.

And I think we have to really, I'm hoping this era ends with some sort of renaissance.

I'm hoping this era ends with some sort of renaissance. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Carl Bodie.

But before we get to that, just a reminder that this month is the sixth birthday of Tech Won't Save Us. I've been doing this show for all these years now. I have interviewed over 300 amazing guests

to give the many thousands of listeners to this show the insight they need on what these tech

companies and these executives are doing to our world and to our individual lives as we

have to interact with these products and the

way that they, you know, change the society around us in ways that are really not serving us

and degrading our existence as they become more and more powerful. So, you know, I think that

these conversations are really important. Many of you do as well. And if you do enjoy this, if you want to make sure I can keep doing this work, having these

interviews, providing these perspectives on the tech industry, this month I'm trying to get

100 new supporters of the show over on patreon.com.

So if you do want to help support the show, help support the work that goes into making it,

take a minute to go to patreon.com slash tech won't save us, become a supporter, and, you know, help ensure that I can keep doing this. Thank you so much. As I said, this week's guest is Carl Bodie. He's a freelance reporter, and he has a newsletter called The Fine Print that I highly recommend you go subscribe to, you know, as people do with newsletters.

By now you've probably seen this story about Sam Altman in The New Yorker.

It has been making the rounds.

There has been a lot of commentary on it.

And Carl wrote about the problem with how the media reports on these CEOs and how they

seem to get tricked or, you know, get the wool pulled over their eyes time and again by these people who, you know, are basically lying to us in order to enrich and empower themselves. And time and again, they get held up as these important figures who we should be paying attention to, who we should be, you know, giving some degree of benefit of the doubt to, or, you know, at least believing the types of things that they tell us.

And time and again, it turns out that they are not really how they are being presented to us.

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