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him not long ago tim and asked him about whether he was going to run for president and he was

super actually honest with me and said you know i'm considering it right you guys didn't adam kensiger

you know usually people are so cagey when you ask them questions like that. And Adam Kinsiger was really very, like,

straight up saying, you know, something I'm going to consider, which I think is, I think this

Rahm Emanuel thing is so weird. What do you think? It's funny. So I'll tell you a little secret

since we're on your first Subsect Live. I, tried so hard to recruit Adam Kinsger to primary Donald Trump in 2020. And he really thought about it. And it was a hopeless endeavor. And so it's not really great when you're pitching somebody on an idea and you're like, hey, I've got an idea. I think you should do this. It's definitely going to fail.

But I think that there might be some long-term benefits to it. And he really thought about it.

So I'm not surprised that he's still thinking about it. I'll ask about that tonight. I'll tell him we talked.

The ROM thing, I also think is kind of strange. But we'll see. I spoke to him once in the last couple months on the phone briefly. I'm hoping to get them on the podcast soon. And look, I think the Democrats, look, I used to be Katie, you know, this is, I'm maybe getting getting crossways with some of my Buller colleagues like Sarah Longwell and others. The bulwark is a place that we love norms.

And I loved Poppy Bush, you know, and I loved Reagan and Tip meeting together.

You know, like we're a place that like we appreciate all that.

And I was hoping for a while that we could beat Trump and go back to that, where we disagreed on, you know, with comedy, comedy,

and comedy, but comedy.

And we were, you know, and the rhetoric, you know, returned.

And I just think it's over.

I think once Trump's been around for a decade, I think that the coarsening of the politics is permanent.

You know, I was with a guy last night who I was with some younger folks who went to you Chicago here. And like, they don't even remember before Trump. And so when they hear

politicians talking in normal old school politician voice, it feels weird to them.

And so I think if somebody like Rom wants to throw his hat in and just be a bomb thrower,

and maybe that will land. I think that we should be much more open to what might possibly be a different path forward.

No, I think you're right. I think you're right.

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