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Bulwark Takes

Elon Thought He Could Rule Washington

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Elon Musk’s political play didn’t go as planned. Rep. Ro Khanna joins Sam Stein to talk about what Musk got wrong, why grades matter, and how Democrats should push back on both extremes.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:38.4

All that.

0:39.2

But before we do subscribe to the feed, we appreciate that.

0:42.9

Congressman, thanks so much for doing this.

0:44.5

I want to start out with Doge.

0:47.1

Because that's what we were talking about when we last did one of these things.

0:51.5

And you had some interesting insights that I think now that it appears to be winding down,

0:56.1

although actually I do want to get to that, your predictions on that.

0:59.0

At the time you were like, look, I think Elon, I think we need to work with Elon or at least try to work with Elon.

1:04.7

I think it's important to try to go across the aisle.

1:07.5

But you also said, I think Elon's going to get frustrated very quickly.

1:12.4

I think for three months counts us pretty quickly. So why did you, do you feel, I don't know what

1:17.4

I want to say vindicated, but what made you say that at the time? And are you surprised at all

1:22.7

that Elon seems to be not just frustrated, but like, you know, depressed about it all.

1:29.9

Well, we've all made calls in politics. I've made my share of erroneous prediction.

1:34.3

No, no.

1:35.8

That turns out to be correct. Because I know Elon's ambition. I've known him for 15 years.

1:42.5

And I know he was coming into it saying he's going

1:45.8

to save $2 trillion a year because we're in a $2 trillion deficit. And I said, Elon, you just aren't

1:53.4

going to be able to do that. And we would, I said, look, let's start with defense. You know,

1:59.4

I wish we could cut defense. I've been voting

2:01.7

against the defense budget for the last seven years saying it's going to go over a trillion

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