Welcome parish orphans and retrogrades to another exciting show.

My name is Timothy Gordon.

I am here with Joe Heschmire, a great apologist.

You've heard him recently making the rounds about his new book.

Pope Peter is a great book, and it's been especially relevant.

It's always relevant, but it's especially relevant in a Francis Pontificate, and it's been especially relevant. It's always relevant, but it's

especially relevant in a Francis Pontificate, and it's even most especially relevant at this,

I don't know, 25th, 30th, 35th time in the Francis Pontificate when Francis is back in hot water.

If such a thing exists for Popes, but, Joe, it's great to have you with us. How are you today?

I'm doing great. I'm very grateful to be on the show, and it's definitely been an exciting time to

talk about the papacy. Let's put it that way. It has been an exciting time to talk about the papacy.

You mean the last since 2013, you you know spring of 2013 right yeah there's

not like a lack of topics to uh to cover and say what did he mean when he said this or why didn't

the world did he say it that way or what what does he mean you know all all of that stuff has been

happening just on overdrive but it seems like every time you think this isn't going to get

more intense, it just ratchets up like another notch. Yeah, to the point where like ratcheting up

means you usually figure it's two steps forward, one step back. You're going up in tension.

It's like, wow, I didn't know this was, this is like a nuclear level of tension now because it's just gotten

ratcheted up every three weeks since March of 2013.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, okay, so you're, so this is on Catholic Answers Press, Pope Peter, defending the

church's most distinctive doctrine in a time of crisis.

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