TIL 569: Psychedelics and Presidential Orders (feat. Matt Rehrer)
Truth in Love
Association of Certified Biblical Counselors
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 25 May 2026
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Dale Johnson and Matt Rehrer sit down to discuss the topic of psychedelics, particularly in light of a recent presidential order. The discussion covers the scientific, historical, philosophical, and biblical aspects of psychedelics, as well as the practical approach to counseling individuals using them.
Chapters
- 00:00 Introduction to Psychedelics and Mental Health
- 11:26 The Science and Risks of Ibogaine
- 17:16 What Does the Bible Say About Intoxication?
- 22:49 A Christian Response to Psychedelics
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| 0:00.0 | psychedelics and presidential orders on this edition of Truth and Love. |
| 0:08.3 | I'm Dale Johnson, and you're listening to Truth and Love, a podcast of the Association of Certified |
| 0:12.4 | Biblical Counselors, where we seek to provide biblical solutions to the problems that people |
| 0:16.3 | face. This week on the podcast, I'm delighted to have with me, Dr. Matt Rair. |
| 0:21.4 | He's an emergency medicine physician in the Bay Area. |
| 0:24.7 | He graduated from Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, and he moved to the Bay Area for residency in 2008, |
| 0:31.0 | where he and his wife, Kara, have lived ever since. |
| 0:34.3 | Matt and Kara have been married for 21 years and they have three children. Matt |
| 0:38.1 | serves on staff at North Creek Church in Walnut Creek, California. He's the author of redeeming |
| 0:43.8 | memory and contributed a chapter on dementia for the Christian counselor's medical desk reference. |
| 0:50.0 | We are continuing our discussion this month on issues related to mental health and mental health awareness month. |
| 0:57.6 | And Matt, welcome to the podcast. |
| 0:59.0 | I'm grateful for your time today. |
| 1:01.2 | Yeah, thanks for having me on, Dale. |
| 1:03.0 | Now, it wasn't too long ago, Matt, that we had a discussion about psychedelics. |
| 1:07.3 | We talked about the concepts and the uses that are being proposed in lots of different places. |
| 1:12.4 | At that time, when we recorded, I had no idea that there would be some sort of presidential action related to the concept of psychedelics. |
| 1:20.1 | But it proves the point that we were trying to make that this is a growing phenomena. |
| 1:24.9 | And the president has recently put out an order related to psychedelics. And so I want to |
| 1:30.8 | give you a chance to, you know, maybe do a quick review, catch people up on what in the world |
| 1:35.5 | we're talking about. And then we'll get into discussing a little bit about the president and what |
| 1:40.3 | the president ordered based on some recommendations from HHS. |
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